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  • supersquirrel@lemmy.caOP
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    6 hours ago

    Also all russia can really threaten Europe and Germany with are ballistic missiles and who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume much of Europe’s ballistic missile interceptors either directly or indirectly?

    Israel

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      7 hours ago

      Actually that is one of the best arguments for selling arms to Israel. Germany bought Arrow from them, which is perfect against Russian longer range missiles. Nobody in Europe produces a system with similar capabilities and the only alternatives to that are being sold by the US, Russia and China.

      As for Patriot interceptors, those are used by the US and Arab countries. Israel has a system called Davids Sling, which has similar capabilities. They actually sold that to Finland and Greece. Currently Volkswagen is in talks with Israel to produce parts of that in Germany. That would be a useful factory to have in case of a war with Russia.

      Also no European country has send missile interceptors to Israel or any country in the region. The most are shooting down some Iranian drones attacking Cyprus, but that is to be expected.

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        6 hours ago

        Russia is surely watching what is happening on both sides of the Atlantic closely. Moscow knows that it is also subject to the laws of physics when it comes to its own munitions depth, but it understands the politics of scarcity. If US intelligence assessments are right that Putin plans to “test NATO resolve” in the coming years, then the replenishment clock matters on both sides—and Russia is trying to recapitalize itself while fighting a full-scale war.

        https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/dispatches/what-shrinking-us-missile-stocks-means-for-allies-and-adversaries-around-the-world/

        One of the reasons for Ratcliffe’s visit to Moscow, according to the Washington Post, was to dispel the Kremlin’s belief that the Trump White House was distracted from Ukraine by Iran. Good luck with that. The reporting on the severe depletion of US interceptor stocks from the war on Iran is so extensive it can only have encouraged Vladimir Putin to launch even more deadly missile strikes against Ukraine’s defenseless population.

        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/sep/03/ukraine-iran-wars-trump

        https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-missile-interceptor-shortfall-beyond-critical-due-war-iran-report

        • Melchior@feddit.org
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          6 hours ago

          Have you read the first article?

          Quote by you:

          who was it again who launched a war THEY KNEW would consume all of Europe’s ballistic missile interceptors?

          From the first article:

          Germany has donated about one-third of its Patriot systems to Ukraine,

          Oh and also from the article:

          Israel is a unique case in the region but faces similar constraints. Its indigenous missile defense capabilities—including Arrow 3, Arrow 2, and David’s Sling—give it options that other US partners in the region do not have.

          In other words Israel can build missile interceptors.

          And then you even quote the article:

          If US intelligence assessments are right that Putin plans to “test NATO resolve” in the coming years, then the replenishment clock matters on both sides

          In other words, being able to access more interceptors is a key thing for European NATO members. Israel can make more of those.

          Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months, because Zelensky did not war a suit. I would not be surprised if US stockpiles do not matter in a war at all, because the US is unwilling to sell them to Europe. That obviously would make Israel an even more important option.

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            5 hours ago

            Yes I did read the article and no, none of your points establish that Israel is an ally of Europe or Ukraine, you have only established that Israel has increased political leverage of them.

            Oh and this is from the US, who stopped Patriot missile sales to Ukraine BEFORE the war against Iran for months,

            The US and Israel planned the Iran War at least months in advance? This proves nothing.