True. I forgot. Democrats can’t just stop Republican policies when they have full control. Only Republicans can stop Democrat policies. And Obama executing the Bush plan to bail out all the banks and brutally surpress occupy wall street was not his fault. My bad.
Tbf to the previous poster, the Republican party is great at setting up sabotaging and impossible choices for when a democrat is elected. E.G. the tax bill TACO passed in his first term that was set to raise taxes for all people making under 75k in 2025. E.G.2 The troop widthdraw plan in the Middle East that had no preparation done before Biden came to office and all those munitions were left behind.
On your point though, yeah the Dems are beyond completely incompetent each time they have one of those situations. It’d be nice if they stopped pretending politeness and passivity was the same as having good morals.
You’re right this makes it better. Trump using the national guard to arrest 1 (one) protester is what crossed the line for me. It’s not about abuse of violence to violate the right to protest and protect the billionaire class. What matters is that Trump did a thing very slightly differently.
I mean, you had a point about the bailouts. I just don’t think you can blame the suppression of Occupy Wall Street protestors on Obama himself. He wasn’t the only neoliberal in charge in 2011. Sure, the FBI and DHS were keeping tabs, but it was the NYPD that did the violent suppression, under orders from Mayor Bloomberg.
In that case Obama as a person was more responsible than Trump who signs whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him. Trump isn’t responsible for anything then. His GOP lobby can be blamed and he can be absolved.
In that case Obama as a person was more responsible than Trump who signs whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him.
Obama’s signature accomplishment was a heritage foundation policy. centrists have been coasting on it ever since as proof that they’re totally different from republicans.
I’m not defending him for the things he actually did. He absolutely bailed out billionaires during the financial crisis. Blaming him for breaking up OWS protests is nonsensical though, and your insistence that it was on him can’t really be explained as anything else. There are just so many better criticisms you could have of the man.
Obama can be blamed for many other things such as record drone striking on innocent civilians and persecuting journalists exposing his empire’s war crimes.
But most impactful of all was his saving of the American billionaire elites which are the crux of all this suffering.
Yeah, noone can say if you’re racist or not just from this. You do have some sort of hate-boner for Obama though. I don’t know what he did to personally hurt you, but I hope you eventually heal from it.
I don’t think America has had a morally good president in a very long time. Since sometime before Regan. I enjoyed the sense of stability that Obama brought to the people and nation. I view him as doing a decent job overall and if we want to point fingers, the Senate is who really failed the American people that cycle; Mitch McConnell in particular.
True. I forgot. Democrats can’t just stop Republican policies when they have full control. Only Republicans can stop Democrat policies. And Obama executing the Bush plan to bail out all the banks and brutally surpress occupy wall street was not his fault. My bad.
Tbf to the previous poster, the Republican party is great at setting up sabotaging and impossible choices for when a democrat is elected. E.G. the tax bill TACO passed in his first term that was set to raise taxes for all people making under 75k in 2025. E.G.2 The troop widthdraw plan in the Middle East that had no preparation done before Biden came to office and all those munitions were left behind.
On your point though, yeah the Dems are beyond completely incompetent each time they have one of those situations. It’d be nice if they stopped pretending politeness and passivity was the same as having good morals.
I might be misremembering, but did Obama federalise the national guard to suppress the protestors? Or was it just the NYPD…
You’re right this makes it better. Trump using the national guard to arrest 1 (one) protester is what crossed the line for me. It’s not about abuse of violence to violate the right to protest and protect the billionaire class. What matters is that Trump did a thing very slightly differently.
I mean, you had a point about the bailouts. I just don’t think you can blame the suppression of Occupy Wall Street protestors on Obama himself. He wasn’t the only neoliberal in charge in 2011. Sure, the FBI and DHS were keeping tabs, but it was the NYPD that did the violent suppression, under orders from Mayor Bloomberg.
In that case Obama as a person was more responsible than Trump who signs whatever the Heritage Foundation puts in front of him. Trump isn’t responsible for anything then. His GOP lobby can be blamed and he can be absolved.
Obama’s signature accomplishment was a heritage foundation policy. centrists have been coasting on it ever since as proof that they’re totally different from republicans.
Yeah nope, I agree with TheReturnOfPEB now, you’re just being racist. Blame the man for things he actually did, not whatever this is.
When your favorite billionaire defender turns out to be a bad person, simply call other people racist. Great argument.
This is refreshing. Lemmy has felt a bit besmirched by liberalism lately, and it’s had me a little down. Thanks stranger.
Everyone deserves to be represented. Honest disagreements and discourse leads to good things. May you avoid bad actors in your interactions. 🙏
I’m not defending him for the things he actually did. He absolutely bailed out billionaires during the financial crisis. Blaming him for breaking up OWS protests is nonsensical though, and your insistence that it was on him can’t really be explained as anything else. There are just so many better criticisms you could have of the man.
Obama can be blamed for many other things such as record drone striking on innocent civilians and persecuting journalists exposing his empire’s war crimes.
But most impactful of all was his saving of the American billionaire elites which are the crux of all this suffering.
Yeah, noone can say if you’re racist or not just from this. You do have some sort of hate-boner for Obama though. I don’t know what he did to personally hurt you, but I hope you eventually heal from it.
I don’t think America has had a morally good president in a very long time. Since sometime before Regan. I enjoyed the sense of stability that Obama brought to the people and nation. I view him as doing a decent job overall and if we want to point fingers, the Senate is who really failed the American people that cycle; Mitch McConnell in particular.
Obama did little to hurt me personally. He hurt a lot of other people.
Some people have a thing called empathy.
The specific uniform of the thugs brutalising protestors is really not the important part.
It kind of is when you’re criticising someone for it? There are plenty of valid criticisms of Obama.