Every election cycle you people come out and rally around making sure people are ‘seeing the Democrats for who they are’ and every election cycle you passively wait for them to subsume themselves to their own corruption and do nothing. You’re an accelerationist shitbag who effectively aupport the active decline of America because your self abusive disdain for your failed birthright makes you think you’re entitled to the destruction of an entire people while millions are already starving and dying, and concentration camps pop up all over the country. Wake the fuck up.
The issue isnt that we come out during elections, it’s that liberals only start paying attention during election season. How’s that incrementalism working out for you? Your party has accepted a rightward shift for 30 years without question
Again you really need to step away and calm the fuck down. You don’t know me and you don’t know how I’m doing. But I can tell your instant defensiveness and willingness to just delete posts tells me that you don’t even have the facilities or werewithal to defend your own position and are just as lost as the average leftist trying to figure what they fuck is even the point when all you have is purity teating and accusing peolle of liberalism.
Marxists agitate against democrats and republicans year-round, every year. You may tune in more around election season, but that does not mean the Marxists are doing nothing. Rather, Marxists understand that organizing is far more effective than voting under capitalism, and organizing has no such time constraints.
Accelerationism isn’t making conditions worse. Accelerationism is the belief that we should support the most competent capitalists to accelerate the concentration of capital, and thus the demise of capital. This means supporting the democrats, not republicans. I don’t think anyone here is an accelerationist, but if anyone had credible claim to be one, it would be the people advocating to support the DNC.
Instead, Marxists support organizing for revolution. This happens outside of the electoral system, at the grassroots level, and does not require timelines. Creating an organization that can educate the working classes on revolutionary struggle, that can struggle alongside workers at every major battlefront, and guide the working classes in a unified direction is the most pressing task for political activists.
I don’t support the Republicans or Democrats, I support the working classes organizing their own political party and movement for revolution. I never once said I support the Republican party, it isn’t a binary choice no matter how much you seem to want it to be. I choose neither.
The fact is, the Democrats are more effective imperialists, and therefore they aid more effectively in accelerating the concentration of capital, and therefore crisis. This is the accelerationist position, which I disagree with. We cannot wait for this process, we must actively organize to overthrow the system rather than try to expedite its collapse.
I don’t see how standard revolutionary Marxism is “failure of pure theory.” The practical option is to get organized, something the CIA desparately does not want to happen. Fedjacketing me for being a consistent Marxist is unacceptable behavior for anyone that legitimately wants a better world.
Yeah well you have a lot of fucked up compatriots who seem to be doing a great job of torpedoing the movement under the same putity standards you seem to want to reflect.
Then pop quiz, what is the DSA? Use as many words as you are inclined.
I am not a Democrat either you are avsolutely huffing your own farts with your assumptions. I am a miserable fucking American that is ashamed daily by this being the best we have on offer and the only thing that disgusts me more is that peolle like YOU are the best we can try to counter with.
Marxists are not “wreckers” for consistently stating that reform is a dead end and revolution is necessary. This has been true since Marx and Engels themselves.
I do org work IRL, but I’m not foolish enough to dox myself. I am consistent with Marxist-Leninist beliefs and practice, I put my skin on the line. This sounds like projection on your part, if I’m being honest. Get organized! It can be incredibly fulfilling work.
I do not think anyone claiming revolution is the only path and then start talking about organizing like flyers are gonna spark the fall of capitalism is a serious person.
Organizing doesn’t spark revolution. Crisis happens regularly in capitalism (George Floyd, October 7th, ICE attacks, data center advancement, the AI bubble), and this mobilizes the masses into action. What the masses actually do while mobilized, however, is limited by their class consciousness and the presence or lack thereof of organized leadership with a coherent plan.
The task right now is to, as I have said, educate (both yourself and the rest of the working classes), agitate (in favor of socialism and revolution), and organize (a disciplined cadre of professional revolutionaries that struggles alongside the rest of the masses). I’m dead serious about this, this is basic Leninist revolutionary theory, and it works.
Just in case it’s needed I’m much more interested in talking to you than my replies might imply, but I’m probably out for now because thus fucking insane Mod seems to be dead set on making sure any outside thought doesn’t threaten his walled garden. Have fun!
Then for fucks sake why are we pretending that all of this screeching on LEMMY of all places is going to have any effect of the 80% of people still getting their news offline or nonparticipatory, the whole thing here that pisses me off is that the same anti-electoralist dispshits who bothsides D&R every year do nothing but carve down the margins of the politically disenfranchised and pretend there’s a “REAL OPTION WHERE ELECTORALISM IS REAL AND ACTUALLY WORKS” That evert.single.fucking.time. just opens to door for fascism and republican death cultism to just wade in and lie to everyone because they aren’t even listening to begin with? Where’s this energy trying to tell the uneducated and unfortunate that Trump is a fucking moron with no scruples? No, let’s fucking spin in circles laying the groundwork for something that MIGHT work in40 years when we’re at +3C and a thurd of the popilation has died of the next Covid.
Maybe depending on capitalism to create your opportunities isn’t the best strategy either.
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You are the enabler of our current fascist state. WWII Germans didn’t see themselves as the bad guy either until the dust settled
Every election cycle you people come out and rally around making sure people are ‘seeing the Democrats for who they are’ and every election cycle you passively wait for them to subsume themselves to their own corruption and do nothing. You’re an accelerationist shitbag who effectively aupport the active decline of America because your self abusive disdain for your failed birthright makes you think you’re entitled to the destruction of an entire people while millions are already starving and dying, and concentration camps pop up all over the country. Wake the fuck up.
The issue isnt that we come out during elections, it’s that liberals only start paying attention during election season. How’s that incrementalism working out for you? Your party has accepted a rightward shift for 30 years without question
Again you really need to step away and calm the fuck down. You don’t know me and you don’t know how I’m doing. But I can tell your instant defensiveness and willingness to just delete posts tells me that you don’t even have the facilities or werewithal to defend your own position and are just as lost as the average leftist trying to figure what they fuck is even the point when all you have is purity teating and accusing peolle of liberalism.
But I do know you, you are defending the empire to keep your own privilege.
Marxists agitate against democrats and republicans year-round, every year. You may tune in more around election season, but that does not mean the Marxists are doing nothing. Rather, Marxists understand that organizing is far more effective than voting under capitalism, and organizing has no such time constraints.
Accelerationism isn’t making conditions worse. Accelerationism is the belief that we should support the most competent capitalists to accelerate the concentration of capital, and thus the demise of capital. This means supporting the democrats, not republicans. I don’t think anyone here is an accelerationist, but if anyone had credible claim to be one, it would be the people advocating to support the DNC.
Instead, Marxists support organizing for revolution. This happens outside of the electoral system, at the grassroots level, and does not require timelines. Creating an organization that can educate the working classes on revolutionary struggle, that can struggle alongside workers at every major battlefront, and guide the working classes in a unified direction is the most pressing task for political activists.
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I don’t support the Republicans or Democrats, I support the working classes organizing their own political party and movement for revolution. I never once said I support the Republican party, it isn’t a binary choice no matter how much you seem to want it to be. I choose neither.
The fact is, the Democrats are more effective imperialists, and therefore they aid more effectively in accelerating the concentration of capital, and therefore crisis. This is the accelerationist position, which I disagree with. We cannot wait for this process, we must actively organize to overthrow the system rather than try to expedite its collapse.
I don’t see how standard revolutionary Marxism is “failure of pure theory.” The practical option is to get organized, something the CIA desparately does not want to happen. Fedjacketing me for being a consistent Marxist is unacceptable behavior for anyone that legitimately wants a better world.
Yeah well you have a lot of fucked up compatriots who seem to be doing a great job of torpedoing the movement under the same putity standards you seem to want to reflect.
Then pop quiz, what is the DSA? Use as many words as you are inclined.
The fact that you only notice us during election cycles says you only pay attention during election cycles. That’s on you.
That would be clever if you were capable of actually producing any results outside of constantly losing elections.
You’ve lost 2 elections to a fucking carnival barker and you want to lecture other people on how they vote?
I am not a Democrat either you are avsolutely huffing your own farts with your assumptions. I am a miserable fucking American that is ashamed daily by this being the best we have on offer and the only thing that disgusts me more is that peolle like YOU are the best we can try to counter with.
If you keep defending Democrats I don’t give a fuck what you call yourself, you’re a Democrat or liberal
Marxists are not “wreckers” for consistently stating that reform is a dead end and revolution is necessary. This has been true since Marx and Engels themselves.
Don’t see you leading the charge either. You’re stuck on a keyboard and waiting for other people to die for you so you can keep your treats. Fuck off.
I do org work IRL, but I’m not foolish enough to dox myself. I am consistent with Marxist-Leninist beliefs and practice, I put my skin on the line. This sounds like projection on your part, if I’m being honest. Get organized! It can be incredibly fulfilling work.
I do not think anyone claiming revolution is the only path and then start talking about organizing like flyers are gonna spark the fall of capitalism is a serious person.
Organizing doesn’t spark revolution. Crisis happens regularly in capitalism (George Floyd, October 7th, ICE attacks, data center advancement, the AI bubble), and this mobilizes the masses into action. What the masses actually do while mobilized, however, is limited by their class consciousness and the presence or lack thereof of organized leadership with a coherent plan.
The task right now is to, as I have said, educate (both yourself and the rest of the working classes), agitate (in favor of socialism and revolution), and organize (a disciplined cadre of professional revolutionaries that struggles alongside the rest of the masses). I’m dead serious about this, this is basic Leninist revolutionary theory, and it works.
Just in case it’s needed I’m much more interested in talking to you than my replies might imply, but I’m probably out for now because thus fucking insane Mod seems to be dead set on making sure any outside thought doesn’t threaten his walled garden. Have fun!
Then for fucks sake why are we pretending that all of this screeching on LEMMY of all places is going to have any effect of the 80% of people still getting their news offline or nonparticipatory, the whole thing here that pisses me off is that the same anti-electoralist dispshits who bothsides D&R every year do nothing but carve down the margins of the politically disenfranchised and pretend there’s a “REAL OPTION WHERE ELECTORALISM IS REAL AND ACTUALLY WORKS” That evert.single.fucking.time. just opens to door for fascism and republican death cultism to just wade in and lie to everyone because they aren’t even listening to begin with? Where’s this energy trying to tell the uneducated and unfortunate that Trump is a fucking moron with no scruples? No, let’s fucking spin in circles laying the groundwork for something that MIGHT work in40 years when we’re at +3C and a thurd of the popilation has died of the next Covid.
Maybe depending on capitalism to create your opportunities isn’t the best strategy either.