A crossover, crossover SUV, or crossover utility vehicle (CUV) is a type of automobile with an increased ride height that is built on unibody chassis construction shared with passenger cars, as opposed to traditional sport utility vehicles (SUVs), which are built on a body-on-frame chassis construction similar to pickup trucks.[1]
So Lada Niva, Subaru Outback a d many others are still technically crossovers despite being very capable outside the pavement
Yeah so a hatchback on stilts. Both of those cars predate the industry term “crossover” by decades. Sometimes their height is enabled by being RWD, you can only lift a FWD car so high before the CV axle angle is too extreme.
Might be time for new rear springs. Our crosstrek needed them at 160k. Probably best to get all 4 struts at the same time to make the alignment worth it.
Who actually offroads, anyway? And I mean actually off roads, not just driving down a dirt double track. Cause I regularly do that in my hatchback when I go camping.
I’ve been known to take sedans and wagons to places crossover drivers wouldn’t dare go pretty often, once or twice needed shovels and a friend with 4WD with lockers to pull me out.
If you don’t do off roading, you don’t need an SUV. If you don’t need an SUV, you should get a wagon or hatch like you already have.
If you live in a place where you can get snowed in, An SUV might help you out, but most crossovers are useless
I had to double-check, but the difference seems to be that traditionally SUV has a frame separate from the body construction, and crossover has the body form frame
But also, that definition is not always followed and people just call the stupidest size cars SUVs, and the less-stupid-but-still-stupid-size crossover
But for example, by that definition this lada niva is a crossover, not an SUV
That Lada is also a lot smaller than that camera angle makes it look. Way smaller than a Wrangler, probably even smaller than a Suzuki Sidekick. People called that a 3-door hatchback when it came out.
But it came out in Europe, long before the differentiation between body-on-frame vs unibody became a significant cost consideration in America through our domestic CAFE standards legislation.
The smallest car you can get in Victoria is a Kia Picanto or a Suzuki Ignis. We’re talking under 900kg. They’re usually driven by the very young or very old.
I get around Melbourne in an old Ignis. The government frames us like we’re the unsafe ones. The road blimps are getting out of hand.
Fun story: I annoyed a guy in a Silverado last month by (gasp) getting in front of it so I could see. He pulls up next to me and starts yelling at my roof. I couldn’t even see the dickhead’s face.
I drive a Swift and a motorbike in Melbourne. I’m convinced 2 out of three drivers in Melbourne have zero ability to recognise they are part of an ecosystem and that the road doesn’t uniquely belong to them.
And tell me about being blamed for our own safety. Can’t even go for a decent ride any more because I’ve seen potholes that can swallow a man. And now they have.
The potholes were definitely not caused by motorcycles and Swifts. I can’t believe the hypocricy of people who buy a 3 tonne rolling whale and complain about the prevalence of potholes.
I feel like it’s more of a crossover but yeah that’s basically the smallest car they sell nowadays, at least here in the USA.
Wait are you saying they don’t sell sedans in the US? I feel like every 4th car I see is the Toyota corolla
Well crossover is an SUV, the most popular type of “stupid size car” in Europe at least
A crossover is a hatchback on stilts, they have zero off road ability.
Not zero. I’ve done some serious rally stages in 10+ inches of snow in my little Subaru with snow tires.
So Lada Niva, Subaru Outback a d many others are still technically crossovers despite being very capable outside the pavement
Yeah so a hatchback on stilts. Both of those cars predate the industry term “crossover” by decades. Sometimes their height is enabled by being RWD, you can only lift a FWD car so high before the CV axle angle is too extreme.
The funny bit about this is, my Subaru appears lowered in stock height, as my CV axles angle upwards to reach the wheels.
Might be time for new rear springs. Our crosstrek needed them at 160k. Probably best to get all 4 struts at the same time to make the alignment worth it.
Who actually offroads, anyway? And I mean actually off roads, not just driving down a dirt double track. Cause I regularly do that in my hatchback when I go camping.
I’ve been known to take sedans and wagons to places crossover drivers wouldn’t dare go pretty often, once or twice needed shovels and a friend with 4WD with lockers to pull me out.
If you don’t do off roading, you don’t need an SUV. If you don’t need an SUV, you should get a wagon or hatch like you already have.
If you live in a place where you can get snowed in, An SUV might help you out, but most crossovers are useless
So a Subaru
I always thought of them as a distinct category but maybe you’re right I don’t actually know.
I had to double-check, but the difference seems to be that traditionally SUV has a frame separate from the body construction, and crossover has the body form frame
But also, that definition is not always followed and people just call the stupidest size cars SUVs, and the less-stupid-but-still-stupid-size crossover
But for example, by that definition this lada niva is a crossover, not an SUV
That Lada is also a lot smaller than that camera angle makes it look. Way smaller than a Wrangler, probably even smaller than a Suzuki Sidekick. People called that a 3-door hatchback when it came out.
But it came out in Europe, long before the differentiation between body-on-frame vs unibody became a significant cost consideration in America through our domestic CAFE standards legislation.
Yeah Niva is actually reasonably sized off-road car
Yeah I also looked it up and it doesn’t really seem like there’s a consensus on whether they count as SUVs. So I guess we’re both kinda right.
Either way fuck cars that are bigger than they need to be. That’s the ultimate point.
Fuck cars in general, but especially the stupid sized ones
The smallest car you can get in Victoria is a Kia Picanto or a Suzuki Ignis. We’re talking under 900kg. They’re usually driven by the very young or very old.
I get around Melbourne in an old Ignis. The government frames us like we’re the unsafe ones. The road blimps are getting out of hand.
Fun story: I annoyed a guy in a Silverado last month by (gasp) getting in front of it so I could see. He pulls up next to me and starts yelling at my roof. I couldn’t even see the dickhead’s face.
I drive a Swift and a motorbike in Melbourne. I’m convinced 2 out of three drivers in Melbourne have zero ability to recognise they are part of an ecosystem and that the road doesn’t uniquely belong to them.
And tell me about being blamed for our own safety. Can’t even go for a decent ride any more because I’ve seen potholes that can swallow a man. And now they have.
The potholes were definitely not caused by motorcycles and Swifts. I can’t believe the hypocricy of people who buy a 3 tonne rolling whale and complain about the prevalence of potholes.
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