That is not the reasoning I am putting forth and it is incedibly childish and stupid to suggest that.
Again if you have a plan that Venezuela could enact other than getting bombed to hell please explain it. If not shut the fuck up and let the people who’s lives are in the balance decide their path forward.
A b52 can fly from any base in the contiguous usa to Venezuela and back without refueling. usa may not have many standoff weapons or missiles but they still have hundreds of thousands of dumb bombs, enough to turn every town in Venezuela into a mirror of Gaza. They could do bombing runs all day every day for weeks and the pilots could go home to their families when they weren’t doing genocide.
Also true of Belize, Costa Rica, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay. Should they all give up on all morsels of sovereignty they have and give all their resources to the USA? Again, why is Venezuela the only country you think needs to do this? The precedent you are setting and arguments you are making means global dominance for the USA. It’s beyond cowardly and has nothing to do with socialism or class struggle, just Liberal moralizing and utilitarianism.
yes, every country in the monroe doctrine must consider the monroe doctrine. are you gonna be the one personally beating the shit out of every single air force pilot as they fly towards venezuela? if not, maybe consider that those pilots might actually be able to reach venezuela, and no one in the global north will be facing the consequences of letting them.
There are more ways to fight imperialism than getting mass murdered.
Do you not know the history of Latin America? Every one of those countries that tried having a socialist government got couped by fascist backed by usa and then had death squads and mass killings for years… on top of their resources being plundered. That is what Venezuela is avoiding.
Its really fucking brave of you to sit in your comfy chair and ignorantly demand Venezuelans do the exact thing other people tried which lead to millions of people being murdered for an idealist notion of sovereignty.
For the third time I will ask you, What do you propose Venezuela does instead? If you don’t have an answer other then “get genocided” just shut the fuck up.
So no suggestions on what they should do other than die? fuck off. You are an Idealist ultra who does not look at the material reality and just wants other people to die while you risk nothing yourself.
i grew up in a war zone. I watched people I know die. Fuck off with this weak shit. It’s the most persecuted, downtrodden of the earth that struggle and fight. It’s the comfortable and powerful who cower.
So because you’ve watched people die that gives you the right to decide other people should die because you don’t like how their strategy makes you feel?
Your criticism is not valid because it is just some vague idealist notion about “sovereignty.” If you have criticisms based on Material Realities instead of your feelings you can share it and we can apply dialectical materialism to the issue to hash it out.
Delcy’s father was tortured to death by CIA collaborators. That is a Material data point that you seem to be missing. Maduro’s family supported Delcy’s family while she was growing up. She was hand picked Maduro. If you have a problem with Delcy you have a problem with Maduro.
It doesn’t matter what you think because Venezuela is going to do what Venezuela is going to do while you sit around doing nothing. They have dozens of people smarter than you and more versed in Historical and Dialectical Materialism working on the problem. They are making their decisions with a more information than you have.
Your only responsibility is to support them in their struggle against imperialism or to shut the fuck up.
That is not the reasoning I am putting forth and it is incedibly childish and stupid to suggest that.
Again if you have a plan that Venezuela could enact other than getting bombed to hell please explain it. If not shut the fuck up and let the people who’s lives are in the balance decide their path forward.
What makes Venezuela so uniquely needing to be subservient to the USA that doesn’t equally apply to the entire world outside of Russia/China?
Proximity and a lack of air defense.
A b52 can fly from any base in the contiguous usa to Venezuela and back without refueling. usa may not have many standoff weapons or missiles but they still have hundreds of thousands of dumb bombs, enough to turn every town in Venezuela into a mirror of Gaza. They could do bombing runs all day every day for weeks and the pilots could go home to their families when they weren’t doing genocide.
Also true of Belize, Costa Rica, Cuba, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Haiti, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Panama, Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Guyana, Paraguay, Peru, Suriname, Uruguay. Should they all give up on all morsels of sovereignty they have and give all their resources to the USA? Again, why is Venezuela the only country you think needs to do this? The precedent you are setting and arguments you are making means global dominance for the USA. It’s beyond cowardly and has nothing to do with socialism or class struggle, just Liberal moralizing and utilitarianism.
yes, every country in the monroe doctrine must consider the monroe doctrine. are you gonna be the one personally beating the shit out of every single air force pilot as they fly towards venezuela? if not, maybe consider that those pilots might actually be able to reach venezuela, and no one in the global north will be facing the consequences of letting them.
this is pathetic. Call yourself a socialist but advocate for total subservience to imperialism. Detestable.
yeah that’s great but what’s the endgame? how do they get there? detail a concrete plan informed by genuine experience.
Outline a 100 step battle plan from your experience as a battle commander or you cannot advocate for resistance to imperialism!
Do you realize how servile and pathetic you come across?
name one step. what one step should delcy rodriguez take after she tells trump to kill himself?
There are more ways to fight imperialism than getting mass murdered.
Do you not know the history of Latin America? Every one of those countries that tried having a socialist government got couped by fascist backed by usa and then had death squads and mass killings for years… on top of their resources being plundered. That is what Venezuela is avoiding.
Its really fucking brave of you to sit in your comfy chair and ignorantly demand Venezuelans do the exact thing other people tried which lead to millions of people being murdered for an idealist notion of sovereignty.
For the third time I will ask you, What do you propose Venezuela does instead? If you don’t have an answer other then “get genocided” just shut the fuck up.
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-5/mswv5_40.htm
This is how socialists talk.
“Some people might die if we try to do socialism and resist the epstein billionaires taking over our country”
This is how you talk
So no suggestions on what they should do other than die? fuck off. You are an Idealist ultra who does not look at the material reality and just wants other people to die while you risk nothing yourself.
i grew up in a war zone. I watched people I know die. Fuck off with this weak shit. It’s the most persecuted, downtrodden of the earth that struggle and fight. It’s the comfortable and powerful who cower.
So because you’ve watched people die that gives you the right to decide other people should die because you don’t like how their strategy makes you feel?
Your criticism is not valid because it is just some vague idealist notion about “sovereignty.” If you have criticisms based on Material Realities instead of your feelings you can share it and we can apply dialectical materialism to the issue to hash it out.
Delcy’s father was tortured to death by CIA collaborators. That is a Material data point that you seem to be missing. Maduro’s family supported Delcy’s family while she was growing up. She was hand picked Maduro. If you have a problem with Delcy you have a problem with Maduro.
It doesn’t matter what you think because Venezuela is going to do what Venezuela is going to do while you sit around doing nothing. They have dozens of people smarter than you and more versed in Historical and Dialectical Materialism working on the problem. They are making their decisions with a more information than you have.
Your only responsibility is to support them in their struggle against imperialism or to shut the fuck up.