You cannot easily join the union. Not can you divorce easily. That’s a many year process with significant changes and overhead. You need all commerce to adjust. You need travel to adjust. You need workers to adjust.
Leaving the EU was never baked in. Brexit was a Novum. As laws stand today you can only sanction them. And need all other countries to agree. This means if they have a single ally in another minor country this is not going to work.
Brexit was a novum sure, but mainly because they wanted to leave instead of being kicked out by the other members for which a process exists.
Edit: Partial correction: Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty existed since 2007 and makes provisions for voluntary withdraw from the EU. But it was afaik never applied before Brexit.
And in general, if you don’t want states to abuse their veto power you need to have something sufficiently painful for them as a consequence 🤷
Not really. One is a short term consequence, the other is a long term departure. The former doesn’t mean you gotta leave the euro, Schengen, etc. it just means EU funds are gonna get held up and participation may be paused.
Sure it is a bit ambiguous like most EU law, but it could be used for indefinite suspension and anyways, we should be rather discussing about how to make it easier to kick out members that no longer fulfill the membership requirements, rather than doctoring on symtoms by weakening the rights of smaller members states that still fully adhere to them.
Ok, but I don’t think we should kick out Ireland. And I think we need to do something effective against double irish and similar schemes. The one country enriching itself likely will protest.
You cannot easily join the union. Not can you divorce easily. That’s a many year process with significant changes and overhead. You need all commerce to adjust. You need travel to adjust. You need workers to adjust.
Leaving the EU was never baked in. Brexit was a Novum. As laws stand today you can only sanction them. And need all other countries to agree. This means if they have a single ally in another minor country this is not going to work.
Brexit was a novum sure, but mainly because they wanted to leave instead of being kicked out by the other members for which a process exists.
Edit: Partial correction: Article 50 of the Lisbon treaty existed since 2007 and makes provisions for voluntary withdraw from the EU. But it was afaik never applied before Brexit.
And in general, if you don’t want states to abuse their veto power you need to have something sufficiently painful for them as a consequence 🤷
https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/08/member-states-can-leave-the-eu-but-can-the-bloc-kick-one-of-them-out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_from_the_European_Union
There is no legislated way for expulsion I can find.
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/glossary/suspension-clause-article-7-of-the-treaty-on-european-union.html
That’s not expulsion. That’s suspension.
Same thing different word 🤷
Not really. One is a short term consequence, the other is a long term departure. The former doesn’t mean you gotta leave the euro, Schengen, etc. it just means EU funds are gonna get held up and participation may be paused.
Sure it is a bit ambiguous like most EU law, but it could be used for indefinite suspension and anyways, we should be rather discussing about how to make it easier to kick out members that no longer fulfill the membership requirements, rather than doctoring on symtoms by weakening the rights of smaller members states that still fully adhere to them.
Ok, but I don’t think we should kick out Ireland. And I think we need to do something effective against double irish and similar schemes. The one country enriching itself likely will protest.
I don’t think it worth it arguing with them further, their knowledge of the EU seems to come from their imagination rather than facts
They tend to be rather radical and divisive in their posts. But voicing differing opinions can still be good. But thanks for looking out for me.