• PastafARRian@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Rather, I’m arguing against “enlightened centrism”. Both sides are not the same at all, there is one party clearly better than the other. Not defending the US in general. But if everyone voted Democrat our problems would be greatly improved.

      If there were two parties, one to double the slaves, and another to keep the number of slaves the same, I would vote for the second party. If everyone voted for the second party, they’d eventually be able to pitch reducing the number of slaves. But they can’t because half the country is Nazis. It’s a dirty game but it’s one worth playing, even if we use protests and others tools as well.

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        If there were two parties, one to double the slaves, and another to keep the number of slaves the same, I would vote for the second party.

        Then you’re a fucking slavery-defending piece of shit who John Brown would have rightfully shot. You don’t have to support slavery at all, you know. You could even say “Slavery is wrong, full stop.” And then go on to do whatever is in your power to tear down any group that advocates for that grotesque abuse and denial of even the most basic human decency. But instead you insist on carrying bucket after bucket after bucket of water for the fucking slavers who are blatantly grifting you with their detestable bullshit of “at least I’m not that bad” as they point at another fucking slaver.

        You people are so brainwashed into this absurd binary thinking it is genuinely shocking to me the atrocious shit that squirts out of your mouths that you think is fucking reasonable!

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        Rather, I’m arguing against “enlightened centrism”.

        Yeah, and to do that you’ve had to engage in outright genocide denial.

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        Rather, I’m arguing against “enlightened centrism”

        Your instance has been very supportive of ‘enlightened centrism’ when it comes to colonialism vs anti-colonialism. Let’s hope that you are, in fact, opposed to that.

        However, the opposition to both of the parties is not a case of ‘enlightened centrism’. They are literally both right-wing genocidal factions of rulers of NATO.

        Both sides are not the same at all

        In the case of USian ruling factions, the difference is just PR. And, maybe, competence in conducting genocides, invasions, and other colonialist activities.

        there is one party clearly better than the other

        Considering that the current administration has seemingly been making decisions that have been harmful to NATO’s ability to invade the rest of the world in the long term, it seems that the party that currently holds more power is the better one.

        But if everyone voted Democrat our problems would be greatly improved

        How?

        If there were two parties, one to double the slaves, and another to keep the number of slaves the same, I would vote for the second party

        Both of the parties are for doubling the slaves and for conducting genocides. The currently dominant one seems to be less competent when it comes to achieving those goals.

        But they can’t because half the country is Nazis

        Much more than that - almost all USians were in favour of invading Iraq, and I find it likely that not much has changed.
        Either way, both of those parties are at least almost completely nazi.

        It’s a dirty game but it’s one worth playing

        Why? Electoralist efforts have evidently not achieved much throughout their existence. It’s time to accept reality.

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          I don’t know what my instance believes, nor do I care.

          I wouldn’t argue against opposing both parties, or the US in general. I’m American and I choose to vote for the party that seems substantially better. Voting correctly is important, but not enough.

          Voting Republican caused Ukraine to lose its funding. I don’t side with any genocide that NATO commits but don’t forget it also protects billions of people. The game is dirty and imperfect but we should still play it to survive.

          Democrat policies reduce wealth inequality, which Republican ones increase it.

          All Nazis are Republicans. Few to none are Democrats.

          Basically none of your arguments are rooted in truth, even slightly. I doubt you will be convinced of what I’m saying.

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            Voting correctly is important

            Has voting ever produced any sort of serious effect in the US?

            Voting Republican caused Ukraine to lose its funding

            Meaning that the state of Ukraine will have less of a reason and less of an ability to avoid peace negotiations to stop the bloodshed. This is good.

            but don’t forget it also protects billions of people

            It literally does the opposite. It’s a colonial empire that is conducting a genocide right now and that has been invading everywhere in the world to keep billions of people in a colonial yoke. It only defends colonial metropoles and settler-colonies from justice.
            Furthermore, at most, it ‘protects’ about a billion of people, and not ‘billions’.

            All Nazis are Republicans. Few to none are Democrats

            They are almost all nazis. Even if one cares about electoralism, almost all Dems who could voted against reduction of military support for Pissrael.
            It’s not really arguable that at least almost all Dems are in favour of genocides and invasions - like the ones into Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan.

            Basically none of your arguments are rooted in truth, even slightly

            Except for all of them.
            Notably, you couldn’t even provide examples of non-nazi Dems, and lied about NATO protecting billions of people and keep lying about voting being important despite having nothing to show for it.

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                    Do the world a favor and stop supporting Nazis

                    Well, I’m not the one who is supporting nazis. You, on the other hand, have been insistent that half of your governing nazis are not nazis.

                    I can’t believe you think that Jews and immigrants are subhumans

                    Notably, I never said anything against either of those groups (whom both Dems and Reps have been acting against, with both of Obama’s terms being the most ICE-happy time period), but it’s pretty evident from your reaction that you think that being against a Lebensraum-style genocide must mean that I’m opposed to some ethnic group.

                    You are in favour of displacing and killing Palestinians, aren’t you?

                    You’re a white supremacist, plain and simple

                    This is silly and very backwards.
                    You have literally been arguing about how the blue brand of white supremacists in your government is awesome, and how NATO - the organisation dedicated to white supremacist colonialism - is great.

                    EDIT: Also, what are the blue-brand white supremacists that are non-nazis that you can name?

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            I don’t side with any genocide that NATO commits BUT

            Absolutely soulless people.