A botched execution doesn’t invalidate the underlying conviction, and a death warrant orders a completed execution, not a finite number of tries. She’s still in custody and technically still subject to another attemt.
If I were her attorney I’d push to have her sentence commuted to life without parole, citing that her physical condition makes lethal injection extremely difficult, and that what’s she’s been put through constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.
Speaking personally, in a civilized society, we’d be as horrified at what’s been done to her as we are at what she actually did. Don’t care to argue with anyone about that, that’s just how I see it.
Speaking personally, in a civilized society, we’d be as horrified at what’s been done to her as we are at what she actually did.
I am even more horrified about what’s been (and being) done to her, because it is coming from an allegedly “sane” group of people, whereas she was clearly a victim of insane abuse herself, not only that but also with actual organ damage from what I read about her case - I think substance abuse of her mother during pregnancy, and being a toddler in a room full of dog poo?
Occasionally, in this sadistic, cruel world, people snap. Sometimes even without having been victims of abuse themselves. Some are born psychopaths (but even then: is there a meaningful interpretation of “evil” in the sense that these people chose to be violent? Or does the problem start when their mind is in a place where effecting violence on others is even an option?).
But for a society to enact corporal punishment, it has to be truly barbaric and utterly depraved. Not to mention the torture leading up to that, with solitary confinement and decades of a literal blade hanging over your head.
Protect society from violent criminals, by all means, lock them up if that’s needed. But don’t expose them to cruelty. That is never going to make anyone a better person, it only turns those committing the cruelty into psychopaths. Also, regular inmates with lifelong sentences are cheaper to society than those on death row.
None of the cruelty brings her victim back to life. But the cruelty committed against the murderer may cause the next cruel and violent murderer from among the children of the tormentors of death row inmates, some of whom will suffer abuse by their psychopathic parent.
Truly the ones who deserve the death penalty the most are the billionaire Epstein-“Elites”.
Every single one of them is directly responsible for more death and harm than any serial killer.
Not to mention the downstream effects of wealth hording, which is of course poverty, and everything that stems from that…particularly, criminal behavior.
Oh and then they use their power and influence to pit us against each other. They literally are “the algorithm”, at this point.
No, you see, the reason you’re struggling isn’t because this guy is rich, it’s because of these other people who look different than you and are struggling even more. They’re the ones to be mad at!
As much as I agree with the sentiment, I am generally opposed to corporal punishment. Do they deserve a good beating? Sure. Should the state have the power to hurt people (other than in situations of immediate danger to others)? No. Absolutely not.
Like, the penalty for some crime is…you disappear. That’s it. Like, you cease to exist. Everything you own is liquidated, you’re given the money in some random currency and your identity is shredded. You’re a new person dropped in a new country with just cash and a new passport that says you can’t come back.
That’s gotta be the premise to some book or movie or something right? Like Eraser meets Skyrim?
For those wondering:
A botched execution doesn’t invalidate the underlying conviction, and a death warrant orders a completed execution, not a finite number of tries. She’s still in custody and technically still subject to another attemt.
If I were her attorney I’d push to have her sentence commuted to life without parole, citing that her physical condition makes lethal injection extremely difficult, and that what’s she’s been put through constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.
Speaking personally, in a civilized society, we’d be as horrified at what’s been done to her as we are at what she actually did. Don’t care to argue with anyone about that, that’s just how I see it.
I am even more horrified about what’s been (and being) done to her, because it is coming from an allegedly “sane” group of people, whereas she was clearly a victim of insane abuse herself, not only that but also with actual organ damage from what I read about her case - I think substance abuse of her mother during pregnancy, and being a toddler in a room full of dog poo?
Occasionally, in this sadistic, cruel world, people snap. Sometimes even without having been victims of abuse themselves. Some are born psychopaths (but even then: is there a meaningful interpretation of “evil” in the sense that these people chose to be violent? Or does the problem start when their mind is in a place where effecting violence on others is even an option?).
But for a society to enact corporal punishment, it has to be truly barbaric and utterly depraved. Not to mention the torture leading up to that, with solitary confinement and decades of a literal blade hanging over your head.
Protect society from violent criminals, by all means, lock them up if that’s needed. But don’t expose them to cruelty. That is never going to make anyone a better person, it only turns those committing the cruelty into psychopaths. Also, regular inmates with lifelong sentences are cheaper to society than those on death row.
None of the cruelty brings her victim back to life. But the cruelty committed against the murderer may cause the next cruel and violent murderer from among the children of the tormentors of death row inmates, some of whom will suffer abuse by their psychopathic parent.
Truly the ones who deserve the death penalty the most are the billionaire Epstein-“Elites”.
Every single one of them is directly responsible for more death and harm than any serial killer.
Not to mention the downstream effects of wealth hording, which is of course poverty, and everything that stems from that…particularly, criminal behavior.
Oh and then they use their power and influence to pit us against each other. They literally are “the algorithm”, at this point.
No, you see, the reason you’re struggling isn’t because this guy is rich, it’s because of these other people who look different than you and are struggling even more. They’re the ones to be mad at!
Ugh.
As much as I agree with the sentiment, I am generally opposed to corporal punishment. Do they deserve a good beating? Sure. Should the state have the power to hurt people (other than in situations of immediate danger to others)? No. Absolutely not.
Sir, this is the internet
That’s exactly what her attorney is asking for.
Smart guy. He clearly read my comment. 🧐
So Margaret Atwood lied to me?
I still say we need to bring back banishment. Negotiate with Canada to let America use Baffin Island as like a new Australia, but way, way colder.
LOL no. Canada doesn’t want Americans, especially your criminals
I wonder how that would work, IRL.
Like, the penalty for some crime is…you disappear. That’s it. Like, you cease to exist. Everything you own is liquidated, you’re given the money in some random currency and your identity is shredded. You’re a new person dropped in a new country with just cash and a new passport that says you can’t come back.
That’s gotta be the premise to some book or movie or something right? Like Eraser meets Skyrim?
It’d probably work like it did in Australia.
Why not just give them to ICE? ICE loves vanishing people to random countries where they’ll probably die anyway. /s