Given than nobody can seem to agree on what a ‘healthy diet’ looks like, what do you do? And why do you choose that diet?

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    2 hours ago

    what everyone said but i would add watch macros to find balance. swapping out fat for more fibre and protien goes a long way especially with reducing visceral fat which can have a long impact on things like reducing stroke and organ diseases.

    keep sugar down around 25g. the average person gets up to like 5 times that amount a day or even in one meal. and any eat sugar you do eat, eat it with fibre so its not released into your system all at once.

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    6 hours ago

    doesn’t have to be complicated, dont eat much processed food, eat lots of vegetables, cook for yourself … or my preferred choice, have a chef for a gf who is big into garden to plate i.e from her own garden and/or other locals she swaps with.

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    8 hours ago

    Wherever possible, stick to the perimeter of the grocery store. Fresh vegetables and fruit, eggs, dried fruits, nuts and oats, frozen vegetables, unprocessed meats if that’s your thing. The closer you get to the middle of the grocery store, the more processed and less healthy the items are. The candy and chips are usually right in the middle of the store. And for God’s sake don’t eat or drink anything from the shampoo and laundry aisle.

  • Kaligalis@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Healthy mostly means you get all the stuff you need and not too much of anything.
    So what you need and what you need to avoid depends on your body and environment.

    You can try to keep book of all the essential vitamins and minerals in your diet.
    Or you research what the body needs and what the commonly acknowledged limits are. Then you can just supplement them in reasonable quantities to make it highly unlikely to be deficient or overdosed in any of them. And that’s what I do.
    always be careful to not overdose Potassium, Iodine, or Calcium. Don’t supplement vitamin A. Get β-carotene instead as the body makes vitamin A from it as needed.

    Chances are, you get enough protein because it’s really hard not to in an industrialized nation.
    But it might be worth to look at the different amino acids and the overall protein intake if you don’t like meat, tofu, or highly processed meat replacements.

    If you really don’t eat any fish or mussels regularly, you might want to supplement the omega 3 fatty acids.

    The digestive tract needs some insoluble fibers in the diet to not get constipation. But it doesn’t need them every day and not in huge quantities. So if you have the occasional random vegetables in your diet, that should be covered. It’s trivial to know when it’s not enough because avoiding constipation is really all the insoluble fibers do.

    What’s left is carbohydrates and fats. Any will do. And if you are in an industrialized nation, you likely got them covered.
    But some sugars are really spiking insulin production, stress the system, and can lead to sugar highs and lows. So try not too eat too many sweets or soft drinks in one session.

    The last thing is calories/energy. If you got too few, you need to eat more carbohydrates and fats. If you got too many, you need to eat less carbohydrates and fats. But as is blatantly obvious by now that isn’t really actionable advice.
    I guess, for undersupply, the solution could be to fatten up the diet and sweating stuff with with lactose if not lactose intolerant. But anyone having this problem in an industrialized nation probably also has more serious problems that cause it.
    For oversupply there is no real solution for most people apart maybe Ozempic because constantly fighting one’s own appetite is basically impossible for normal people. Just don’t start smoking to loose weight. It probably works, but it comes with its own problems.

  • swelter_spark@reddthat.com
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    12 hours ago

    Healthy to me is lots of salads with different greens and vegetables, small amounts of fish or chicken, and fresh green tea.

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    19 hours ago

    “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” Michael Pollan, In Defense of Food: An Eater’s Manifesto.

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    19 hours ago

    nobody can seem to agree on what a ‘healthy diet’

    You’re wrong but it’s OK. Eat vegetables. " Things that are green " if it helps you. Not too much meat, not too much bread and pasta. That’s it, it’s easy. 2 or 3 times a day, not more. Stop eating sugar.

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      19 hours ago

      Not too much sugar. Bread and pasta are fine as long as they’re not just cake disguised as bread (looking at you, America).

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        17 hours ago

        Everything in moderation

        The average person wants to be eating around 2,000-2,500 calories in a day unless you’re trying to put weight on or cut weight

        Carbs shouldn’t make up more than about 50-60% of that

        If you’re eating half a loaf of bread a day, you’re gonna have a bad time even if it’s good quality bread

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        18 hours ago

        Even without sugar, bread and pasta are usually from white flour, that is quite processed and should not be eaten too often. You can replace by rice and other cereals or whole grain, they are all better options

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      18 hours ago

      Not just green, eat the whole rainbow of vegetables! Different colors are frequently associated with different nutrients so a mix is good.

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        18 hours ago

        It is a little bit of a fad because you’re probably getting enough protein. People should be treating fiber the way protein is treated. 90% of western diets do not have enough fiber.

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          12 hours ago

          idk when i started going vegan i didn’t know how much you need so i had the daily amount maybe in a week, i just want people to avoid that

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          17 hours ago

          The real reason people complain about stomach issues after taco bell. So much fiber that most people aren’t used to.

  • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    13 hours ago

    People do agree.

    Almost everyone who studies this stuff professional agrees that the following are bad, and should be limited:

    • High sugar, low fiber foods: soft drinks, candy, donuts, cake, ice cream, most other classic desserts.
    • Oily/fatty processed foods: chips, certain crackers, shelf stable baked goods like cookies, donuts, wrapped cakes, really greasy pizza.
    • Trans fats
    • Alcohol

    Almost everyone agrees that the following are good, and should be maximized:

    • Leafy vegetables
    • Colorful vegetables
    • Beans, peas, chickpeas, lentils, other cooked legumes/pulses
    • Fermented/pickled vegetables, especially through lactic acid fermentation

    It’s not universal, but it’s a pretty broad consensus that the Mediterranean diet is good for you, which includes a lot of:

    • Fish, especially fatty fish low on the food chain, like sardines and anchovies
    • Other seafood, especially those low on the food chain
    • Whole fruit
    • Nuts
    • Extra virgin olive oil in reasonable quantities

    It’s also not universal, but the broad consensus is that the following are bad for you when eaten in excess:

    • Cured meats like sausage/ham
    • Fried foods
    • Red meat
    • Low fiber white starches (white bread, white pasta, white rice)

    For me personally, I eat a lot. I want to eat a lot. I could win amateur eating contests in my youth, and even today, left to my own devices, I have no trouble eating 2000 calories in a single meal, 5000 calories in a single day. So I need to manage my hunger, and I’ve found that for me, fiber and protein promote satiety, so I eat a lot of legumes: beans, lentils, green beans, peas, peanuts. These are basically my staple food, and I drink a lot of water, and eat a lot of watery foods (fruit, soup, etc.).

    I mostly avoid processed sugar (no sugary drinks or candy or desserts). I leave fried foods, which I love, for special occasions. I have seriously reduced my consumption of red meat, almost to zero, mainly out of social responsibility, but also with an eye towards health.

    I avoid bringing unhealthy foods into my house. It’s a lot easier to avoid eating them when I would have to go out of my way to order it.

    I’m also working out all the time. Not just to buy me a calorie budget for eating, but also because knowing I need to go to the gym later helps control my portions and choices earlier in the day. Nothing worse than trying to squat 330+ lbs (150+ kg) with a huge portion of greasy fried chicken sitting in your stomach.

      • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        12 hours ago

        The slight disagreements on some of the edges doesn’t change the strong consensus on the core parts.

        The existence of a debate as to whether Kobe Bryant was better than Michael Jordan doesn’t mean that people have no idea who is or isn’t a good basketball player. No matter how you slice it, there are going to be people clearly on one end of the spectrum, people clearly on the other, and all sorts of people in between, where the precise rankings might differ from expert to expert, but where nobody is suddenly saying that Michael Jordan was worse than some random middle aged guy who can’t dribble or shoot.

        You may find someone disagree as to whether whole wheat bread is worse for you than a grilled steak. You’ll never find a meaningful debate about whether a donut is healthier than an apple.

        • Cyril Strobe@sh.itjust.worksOP
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          12 hours ago

          The existence of a debate as to whether Kobe Bryant was better than Michael Jordan doesn’t mean that people have no idea who is or isn’t a good basketball player

          Isn’t that a matter of opinion though? I mean I’m not disagreeing with your point at large about the consensus on diet, but diet isn’t a matter of opinion like wether a sport player is better than another.

          • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            9 hours ago

            Isn’t that a matter of opinion though?

            People will back their opinions with quantitative models, though. Someone with a true shooting percentage of 60% is going to be considered better than someone at 40%. Someone who gets 10 rebounds per 48 minutes played is going to generally be considered better than someone who gets 2. But it might be a matter of opinion as to how to weight different elements of a box score, like points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, turnovers, free throw percentage, etc.

            Nutrition science is also quantitative, with some difference in opinion on how to weight different factors. But the data is collected, there are models of how food causes healthy or unhealthy outcomes, and different priorities of which features of health are more important. Any opinions worth their salt are going to be grounded in quantitative analysis.

            • Cyril Strobe@sh.itjust.worksOP
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              9 hours ago

              True, very true (although I expect with sport you’ll still get them zealots who argue through their teeth for their favourite player regardless of stats, but I’m certainly not one of them)

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    10 hours ago

    It depends on the person and the health issues you have or are predisposed to. Talk to your PCP, GI doctor, or registered dietician to find out what’s healthy for your body.

    If you have no health issues and your older relatives have only died peacefully in their sleep at 100 years old, congrats, don’t worry about it, and fuck off with your good genetics. I hate you.

    But seriously, what’s healthy for one person might be unhealthy for another. And, oftentimes, what’s branded as healthy is really just recommendations specifically for people trying to lose weight…in the same way Cady recommended those “weight loss” bars to Regina George in Mean Girls. So maybe that’s why it seems no one can agree on what’s healthy.

  • Duchess@piefed.linenoise.vip
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    19 hours ago

    Try to get 30 grams of fiber a day. Limit processed foods. Limit saturated fats.

    I eat a lot of salads with avocado. Oatmeal with dried fruit. Beans and rice.

    I had high cholesterol and was overweight. Changing my diet fixed these issues and made me feel better.

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    19 hours ago

    You don’t have to have a perfect diet (trying too hard to get one ends up being bad for you), you just have to do enough of the things mentioned here.

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      19 hours ago

      trying too hard to get one ends up being bad for you

      That’s true. You know, sometimes I think that’s how we end up with all them crappy fad diet things

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    18 hours ago

    These two people

    Liam

    and

    Kylie

    They both have degrees in this stuff. They focus on easy realistic healthy eating. You don’t have to give up pizza, just eat a little less and add a salad. You don’t have to give up brownies, just add beans for more fiber (trust the process, seriously). You don’t have to give up instant ramen, just add some veggies. It’s really not as hard as it’s made out to be and they both do a very good job showing that.

  • Mr Zarkon@fedinsfw.app
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    18 hours ago

    Given than nobody can seem to agree on what a ‘healthy diet’ looks like

    as a side quest I recommend working on how to distinguish credible sources of information from not

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      17 hours ago

      Right?

      The information is out there if you know how to sift through the nonsense.

      Though trying to do this with nutrition really is hard mode. I don’t know of another topic that’s quite as flooded with nonsense.

  • Zensate@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    You eat food and then you notice how you feel afterwards, that’s the only way. People are very, very different genetically, and while studies show you the average, people can be very unique in what food their bodies does well at digesting.

    You eat something and you feel heavy, sluggish, tired afterwards? You either ate too much, or something not good for you, or both.

    You eat something and you feel like you didn’t really get any nutrition from it and you can just keep eating and you still won’t get satisfied? You’re probably eating junk not because your body wants it, but because you’re trying to avoid some emotions, and so on.

    Awareness is king, as always, you cannot adhere to a fixed system as a living organism; you must actually use your senses in each moment.

  • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de
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    19 hours ago

    A very simple, though hardly practical rule to follow perfectly is: “Avoid things with ingredient lists.”

    Michael Pollan as mentioned elsewhere “eat food, mostly plants, not too much.”

    “Avoid the centre of the grocery store” assuming a North American layout (which has regional variations) - the point being that the prepared foods are in the middle, the outside edges are butcher, dairy, and produce.

    Some asshole once said, “Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat.” This is also good advice, despite the source.

    • Cyril Strobe@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      Some asshole once said, “Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat.” This is also good advice, despite the source.

      Pretty sure he’s somewhere in this comments section (someone else offered almost exactly that same advice lol)