But what if I’m inconvenienced for minutes per year due to cyclists??? I should be able to kill them!!! /s
Sidenote, in 3 years of using Boost for Lemmy, this is the first post that crashes it consistently when I tried to load the comment view. I wonder what could possibly be going on with it. Had to use the web UI to make this comment.
If you were joking about murdering minorities with your AR to remind them that they have their own neighborhood to go back to, you’d at least be investigated by th- Oh wait, Arkansas? Nevermind.
Facebook doesn’t give a shit either, and honestly they should be held liable if a cyclist is ever killed by someone who has ever left or read a comment like this one that Facebook chose not to take down. For the last couple of years, I’ve started keeping a log of all the comments I’ve reported on Facebook, and then updating that log if I get a notification that they took action. Very, very few have needed updating. Here’s my log of not removed comments:
And here are the ones they did remove:
Facebook actively encourages extreme violence.
I cannot say I’m surprised. They moderate only under very narrowly defined circumstances. Thank you for keeping track of it.
I remember they would always remove and punish me for just language. Let’s say some guy says something like “Fuck fa***ts”. I report it, nothing happens. I tell the guy he’s a homophobic piece of shit, removed and temp ban for 3 days.
wow the rage people feel at being physically incompetent…
my brain read Carbarians and I think that’s going to stick for me
And I misread your word as Carbonarians, which I guess would be an offshoot of Pastafarians.
Welp
You have now unlocked a new word!
Nice
i drive a prius im a hero -brian
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had a car brain joke about watching bicycle accident videos and i said i watch videos of cars getting obliterated by trains, guy was super pissed at me lmao
What about all those billions we spent on car infrastructure they could have used? All that and they have to slow down the trains?
trying to convice car drivers that highways and one more lane are a black hole for money is often a waste of time sadly
The way that many carbrains speak, it seems that they regard roads as naturally-occurring, geological features. (E.g. the Lemming who argued that pushing for cycling was harmful to people in undeveloped nations, who will have to drive in coming years, because bike lanes are too expensive for their governments to construct.)
and then everyone clapped, and Albert Einstein gave you a roll of condoms
would be funny but no. no one clapped or aything lel
That’s in northwest Arkansas. Bella Vista is like 45 minutes north of Fayetteville and full of retirees. Those facebook groups are disgusting hard right nutjobs.
Vehicular cycling advocates have set cycling back decades in USA, with the result being this thought.
A car or a bicycle travelling at 30% of the speed of traffic introduces a considerable risk. It’s why bike lanes aren’t also sidewalks. But it’s not a reason for vehicular homicide!
I get why getting behind any vehicle moving at 30% of the expected rate of speed is an annoyance, and that annoyance is doubly so when it’s a person just doing recreation.
But what I come back to is that cycling isn’t just recreation. It’s also a legitimate form of transportation for some people who cannot drive (for various reasons) or for those who cannot afford it. It’s also one of the last remaining forms that isn’t privacy-invasive (either by the state or corporations).
People on two wheels should be conscious of holding up traffic, but those on four don’t own the roads. We’re all in this together.
I wonder how many people I get stuck behind on the road that are just driving to the gym, when they could run out their front door instead of on a treadmill
One thing people don’t get is that car people think that the cyclist took his car to ride his bike as a fun activity. Nobody could be doing anything “legitimate” like going to work on a bicycle.
That’s also part of the Vehicular Cycling/Forester problem. Forester, distilled and paraphrased, was a proponent of “serious” cyclists, which included the MAML (Middle-Aged Man in Lycra) on racing bikes and excluded the person picking up groceries on a bike with baskets. Which summs up to “cycling is for recreation”. And visibly, the aggressive cyclists tend towards that MAML image, rather than dad picking up groceries or mom cycling to work.
I get your point, but more often than not, the car lanes are the only option for cyclists
If you’re driving your 2 ton shitbox in public, then you have to drive knowing that one mistake of yours or someone else’s can and will cost lives
I mean if everyone involved has concented to forfeiting someone’s life, then I guess there’s no issue. Though I’d prefer to be the shitbox driver in this case
So true! If we didn’t have cycling advocates, we’d definitely have at least 100x more bike infrastructure by now. It’s pretty common that major infrastructure projects get done without advocacy.
It is important to understand what Vehicular Cycling is and how it has entrenched carbrained infrastructure. https://discuss.tchncs.de/comment/28614295
What is a vehicular cycle and why would one advocate for it?
Tl;DW/R: pretending bikes are cars and claiming bike lanes are dangerous.
This is like if women’s MMA didn’t exist so they had to come up with a lot of copium to justify women competing against men.
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The guy who came up with it was a lycra guy.
If it’s Fayetville, Arkansas, it looks like it has some gravel and mountain bike paths, but also low-traffic mountain roads that probably have poor passing opportunities. And it also looks like people might come to cycle there.
From Fayetteville, road cyclists will discover one of the largest road networks in Arkansas – with over 400 miles of scenic paved roads accessible from town. Low traffic density, high road quality, and diverse mountain topography make Fayetteville the ideal destination for your next road cycling vacation.
https://www.experiencefayetteville.com/experience/cycling
So there’s a possibility local traffic is being held up by tourists cycling nowhere in particular on roads where you might have to wait a while for a safe passing opportunity, made even longer by people struggling with an incline.
What would be a good infrastructure solution to this problem?
What would be a good infrastructure solution to this problem?
Is this a serious question? You have a separate bike pathway/trail that twins the road.
Like in Banff National Park
Yes, I guess that’s really the only good answer. Just on mountain roads, space might be at a premium, but there are probably alternate routes a bike path could take.
Yes, but with all the construction equipment already there, it’s a fraction of the cost to build it alongside. Also that way you can wildlife protect it along with the highway. A seperate route would be at risk of animals (and need to be wary of migration paths) or need its own protection and animal crossovers.
You have a separate bike pathway/trail that twins the road
For this specific use case, that’s only a viable alternative if the separated bike path is just as wide as the road itself. Normal bike paths designed for cyclists commuting or otherwise transporting themselves can be half the width for a bi-directional cycleway as a single car lane, but for cyclists training in the hills, they need the road width to be able to take corners at speed safely.
Uhh… the pathways have 20/km limit, it’s also for pedestrians, roller bladders, skateboarders etc. and your risking your life going fast in the mountains wildlife can be around any corner. If you’re treating a pathway or trail like a road, you’re an ass.
If you’re road training, than you do it on roads… they don’t need to make a specific trail just for that. Don’t go on a busy road, there’s plenty of less used roads that you can do that on.
And how would you be going fast UPHILL, this is mountainous territory that’s being talked about.
Road training is literally what we’re talking about here?
Do you think the only people biking on scenic mountain highways are trainers?
We get plenty of overseas tourists who would be a disaster on the regular roads, it’s also illegal on some roads to cycle as well since it’s so dangerous for everyone.
I think this post clearly shows a picture of a sports cyclist, the post referenced a location with clear advertising aimed at attracting sports cyclists, and the discussion thread above makes it very unambiguously clear that we’re talking about sports cycling. One would have to be completely oblivious or wilfully ignorant to pretend otherwise.
As someone who does both sports cycling and transport cycling, I fucking hate it when people from one side act as though the other side doesn’t exist or is lesser than or not worth considering. The fuckwits who complain about “tour de france wanabees” while claiming to be cycling advocates are no better than NIMBYs complaining about their parking. We’re all on the same side here, and anyone who acts otherwise can fuck off as far as I’m concerned.
Are you seriously suggesting that trails should be built for one particular group of bikers? Where no one else could safely use that trail safely? Not even a pedestrian or a person with disabilities? That’s a great use of resources lol.
The link also talks about all types of cycling.
There’s plenty of roads with almost no traffic that road cyclists can use, why do you think they’re being ignored? They aren’t the problem demographic here.
A simple solution is to have extra wide bits where the topology allows it, with the width added to the uphill side of the road. Adding an unseparated bike lane on long straighter sections or round the bend is usually going to be sufficient for relatively low-speed mountain overtakes. What you should never do is encourage anyone to overtake a cyclist going downhill.
Here’s some examples from Australia:
I’ll add that even in the US, it’s somewhat common for mountain roads to periodically have an extra passing lane, pull-off points, or an extra wide shoulder so motorists can get around slower traffic.
So there’s really no excuse for not adding a bike lane on uphill portions in cycling heavy areas whenever those roads need to be repaved.
…so maybe we’ll see some of that in the next 50 years…
time for cyclist to start dropping nails in the middle of the road…
Nails can miss, caltrops usually don’t.
Too subtle. Gotta speak their language:
a blown tire set speaks louder than a shirt…
