In an attempt to better understand Lemmy I’m wondering if some of you can shed a light on what the deal is between.ml and .world. The history, any significant event or a betrayal, how did we all run away from spez only to come here and throw mud at each other?
I’m sure it confuses a great deal of Reddit refugees who just signed up with the largest instance because of (in my case future proofing) reasons.
I’m wondering how this historic feud came to be and how I can be called a “Zionist” just because of my instance, and they are called “fascists” even though I’ve come across some pretty levelheaded people from that instance too.
Please, keep it civil!
I’m not trying to start a fight or mud slinging, it would be good if several people could say their piece and nobody shame or attack them for it no matter how much you disagree.
Thanks
Instances tend to be flavored towards certain groups of people. There are a particular group of 3 instances, one being Lemmy.ml the others known as hexbear and lemmygrad that cater to people who essentially think that all western society is corrupt and that NK, China, Russia, etc are the saviors of the world.
lemmy.ml happens to be the flagship instance of the software creators which causes a lot of friction in terms of if they should be cut off or not.
The only reason I’m on .ml is because one of the communities I wanted to subscribe to was blocked on .world
You can likely pick almost any other instance if that’s piracy
Hold on here…did I accidentally join a gang?
.ml was my first instance. That account is 1 month older than this one. I found slrpnk by accident and it fit my community better so I switched. I learned about the drama after lol.
Which community?
I believe it was !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Out of curiosity, why not make an account on one of the anarchist flotilla instances?
.ml was another instance I was already aware of at the time, back then I didn’t know people formed opinions based on which instance you’re with either
It’s more about recognizing what kind of biases the user will likely be approaching a given topic with. .ml users obviously tend to skew towards viewing world events through a very specific lens, which then goes on to color how they interact with the rest of the fediverse.
The funny part is that when you’re a .ml user on .ml, it looks like smooth sailing and calm waters. Discussion is civil and friendly, and dissent all lands within a very specific Overton window. But once you start digging deeper, you realize it’s because the entire instance is extremely heavily moderated. It looks like everyone agrees because dissent outside of that tiny bandwidth quickly gets silenced. So as long as .ml users stay on their instance, things tend to be pretty chill.
This ironically leads to friction when those .ml users end up on external instances, because the .ml admins can’t moderate those as heavily. Plus those external users have likely seen and/or experienced the heavy-handed moderation firsthand. So they immediately assume .ml users are complicit and intentionally staying in their bubble, instead of simply being unaware.
I’d say that these days that group contains four instances and dbzer0 is a member.
Nah, that’s the anarchy/punk/pirate server.
Every server has some tankies or tankie leaning infiltraitors.
The admin are the problem there though.
who? unruffled was literally the reason Hexbear proposed defederation from dbzer0 if that’s what you mean
I meant all of them but if that’s the one that came to your mind first that’s telling.
he’s the one that comes to my mind first because i hate him
I have never yet found a db0 (the admin) opinion I disagree with.
Care to explain further? I have only had good interactions, but to be fair I don’t know that much about any drama here so 🤷🏼♀️
Probably related to their admin’s (Rimu’s) false claims about dbzer0’s admins using LLM for moderation. Though it’s been months since that was a topic and got debunked. Rimu is pretty infamous on yepowertrippinbastards (which is banned on piefed.social) for his mudslinging and silencing of criticism.
Fun story I got banned on yptb for pointing out the one of their mods/admins were being ableist.
Of course they waited a week after the conversation to do that so I guess it really got under their skin.
For .ml specifically see below, as far as dbzer0 goes, some of the admins have allegedly taken a “friendlier” stance to the Tankies. I don’t personally believe they’re going full tankie like some on the Threadiverse believe, but sometimes they make questionable decisions in pursuit of that friendliness. For example allowing hardcore tankie users to be mod in comms that were literally formed to be free of tankie influence/ideology/propaganda like !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com where the top mod is a known Tankie and openly admitted to being one just recently
Admins of .ml promote and enforce authoritarianism here’s a megathread on them
You’ll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general
Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522
Or so much more, I actually haven’t updated the megathread in a few months, but there’s more recent stuff on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
That mod was the one that created that community though
Oh, yeah I’m banned in “leftymemes” and the modo is sure a piece of work. Didn’t think much of it because the sub is so low quality/basically dead. It was my fault a bit, I was sick and misstook it for an .ml sub lol. But this explains some things for sure.
Besides that you can look around and decide for yourself.
dbzer0 is anarchists, not communists.
they suffer from the same delusional idealism though, and belief that anyone who doesn’t think like them should be murdered.
Well, not anarchists, but dbzer0 chudlettes, sure.
We make an attempt at seeing things from invaded states’ views.
Who is “we”? Because Lemmygrad literally cheered when Russia invaded Ukraine. Doesn’t seem like viewing things from the perspective of the invaded state.
As they should have.
Why?
He’s just spamming this thread because he loves far right extremist political views.
Probably because of the reasons we’ve explained ad nauseum.
I’m sure the Israel defenders have also explained their reasons ad nauseam so according to you they should be cheering Israels genocide?
https://kbin.earth/m/worldnews@lemmygrad.ml/t/3276898/Megathread-for-the-US-war-on-Iran-Week-42-of#comments
And what am I supposed to do with that? Am I supposed to find you a megathread of the Ukraine war?
Interesting misrepresentation of those three instances, I’d better phrase it as “users on the three support countries that directly undermine western Imperialism when forced to choose between western imperialism or other countries.” Virtually all members there understand “critical support,” which is when you support a cause overall but are still critical of aspects of it.
Ahh yes, undermine western imperialism. Unashamedly deepthroat Russian/Chinese imperialism. You are very smart!
I don’t think that could be further from the truth.
I think you’re do propagandized, you wouldn’t know truth if you look it in the face, as evidenced by your comments.
Oh, do you have evidence or is this just vibes?
Years of direct personal experience at this point, the vast majority I’ve interacted with have been pathologically idealistic and manichean. Maybe I just happen to interact with an extremely vocal minority, maybe. But in any case “virtually all” is patently ridiculous.
if someone is constantly running into bad faith attacks against socialist states and cold war propaganda, they’re going to tend to lead with defense rather than internal critique. that’s not the same as having no critique.
Interesting, because my 4 years of experience I have found less than 5, which is why I said “virtually none.” Have you considered that maybe your own actions have caused people to galvanize against your opinions? Many who practice critical support don’t break it down for people when the interlocutor is obviously obstante.
Found the tankie.
Good to know that blocking the instance doesn’t block its users. God dammit. Can’t you tell the people on your conspiracy server to fix that so I don’t have to endure you?
And you’re “that kind” of asatreau so careful with that salute.
The best fix is to log out and never return.
Okay, enlightened Westerner.
This obsession with east vs west is paradigmatic of tankie tribalist ideology. They can’t conceive of someone who doesn’t obsess over nationality or ethnic and cultural loyalties. Humans are humans. We should fight to be free from state oppression. Not complicated.
When you guys get on board with putting a stop to the marauding, plundering, pillaging, genocide, sexual assault, genocide, and coups, not to mention wage suppression so you can have cheap gas and trinkets, those of us with a conscience would stop obsessing. Not complicated.
It’s not “loyalties”, but culturally informed/derived ideology and attitudes and the particular brand of propaganda people are getting. This is observable, and you’re not thinking clearly about this.
State propaganda exists to engender loyalty to the regime. That’s the whole point.
They are quick to jump on any “western” wrongdoing, but equally quick to dismiss much worse from their own tribe. Because they are tribalists and nationalists who favor some nations over others — because they’re brainfucked by propaganda, as you said.
Jesus Christ, operations gladio and condor, couping/embargoing/sanctioning every government that tried differently isn’t enough?
I think you missed my point.
And uhh, maybe the actual tankies that people hate so much, but that’s not what I see on .ml, at least in my limited experience. And I have no horse in this race (I’ve not only been banned/silenced on .ml a couple of times but I’m also a believer, which is usually frowned upon in these circles, for reasons I somewhat understand), I just see the enmity/friction between instances for what it is: traditional and dishonest Western imperialists who uphold the status quo but also care about optics (and because of the latter, would never admit it unlike their “MAGA” siblings who, being challenged, actually think being inhuman and coercive for material gain are positive attributes) and those who call them out for it. Whoever complains about “tankies on Lemmy” on the regular is just telling on themselves, basically.
lol no. No, there aren’t western operatives trying to fight tankies on Lemmy from a leftist perspective… You seriously believe it’s an operation before you’d believe it’s the typical tribalist infighting that occurs in nearly any diverse political group??
Tankies just have the distinction of being massive hypocrites basically at face value of their ignorant fuckhead beliefs. Just like most any communist that unashamedly sucks off the CCP.
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