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A 22-year-old German politician who secretly served in Ukraine’s army now faces expulsion from the pro-Russian Alternative for Germany party after calling his own leadership “Russia-kissers.”

  • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
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    4 days ago

    If you argue like that then we only need a king because there were kings who did great for their country.

    It’s a great mistake to ignore the lack of democracy just because the wrong people point it out.

    You need an argument for why the commission is still democratic, not just a list of benefits, no matter how good. Otherwise you confirm that it is not democratic.

      • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
        38·
        4 days ago

        With just having read the summary, I would be happy with the limited role that the Heritage foundation suggests.

        The Europe of regions sounds also interesting.

        I think we need a debate that is expected to last years to come up with a good system. There are reasons for the current structure that are still valid. We can keep going for a while, but we should keep in mind that the influence of the public was minimized.

        A quick improvement could come from adopting the fediverse for the EU. It should be easy for citizens to participate in debates.

        • Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
          81·
          4 days ago

          With just having read the summary, I would be happy with the limited role that the Heritage foundation suggests. The Europe of regions sounds also interesting.

          This is exactly what right-wingers in Europe (and China and Russia) are aiming at. This is backward-oriented and has nothing to do with democracy.

          • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
            35·
            4 days ago

            Why would a scaleback to national states not be democratic? They were democratic in the past.

            • SpaceShort@feddit.ukEnglish
              2·
              3 days ago

              Too susceptible to outside influence. These would be American/Russian/corporate puppet states.

              • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                1·
                3 days ago

                America supposedly has become a Russian puppet state. Size is helpful but not essential. If people give up democratic power they will be ruled by whomever controls the European Commission. Having informed voters is much more important than size.

            • Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
              5·
              4 days ago

              There are a lot of reasons, but as you refer to the Heritage Foundation as an institution to develop democracy, I’m afraid you either wouldn’t understand or you are arguing in bad faith.

              • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                23·
                4 days ago

                you refer to the Heritage Foundation as an institution to develop democracy

                I didn’t. I was talking about their suggestion. I hope you are not arguing in bad faith.

                Why would a scaleback to national states not be democratic?

                • Hotznplotzn@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
                  51·
                  4 days ago

                  @plyth@feddit.org

                  Read your own comment. You literally wrote:

                  I would be happy with the limited role that the Heritage foundation suggests.

                  You’re are happy with the MAGA playbook.

                  Why would a scaleback to national states not be democratic?

                  In short, exactly because - as you say yourself -it is a ‘scaleback’ and a ‘limited role.’

                  We need to go forward as a larger EU would also be stronger as single national states.

                  You are apparently arguing in bad faith. Such a debate is,waste of time.

                  • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                    35·
                    4 days ago

                    Can you distinguish between a message and a messenger? Of course they have further, dangerous plans. But the suggestion at first sounds good, which is to be expected. From the article:

                    The now-public roadmap includes proposals to strip power from the European Commission and the European Court of Justice. It also calls for renaming the EU to the “European Community of Nations.” Power, according to the document, should return to the individual nation states of Europe.

                    “These proposals essentially amount to the complete dismantling of the European Commission, which would be reduced to handling only trivial matters,” explains Szabolcs Panyi, the journalist who obtained the document.

                    Nieuwsuur also spoke with one of the Polish authors of the plan, Zbigniew Przybyłowski of the conservative Ordo Iuris Institute: “We are calling for the restoration of democracy, freedom, and the sovereignty of nations. You could call that a power shift.”

                    The arguments:

                    Why would a scaleback to national states not be democratic?

                    In short, exactly because - as you say yourself -it is a ‘scaleback’ and a ‘limited role.’

                    We need to go forward as a larger EU would also be stronger as single national states.

                    Those are two things, power and democracy.

                    You are willing to get more power while not caring about democracy. If the EU moves forward as is, there will be less democracy.

                    It could even be false flag. What if the Heritage Foundation wants that concentration of power?

                    Why do we need it? The EU started as a project for a free market. Even if we need a strong military we can do that without all the other concentration of power.