Um, actually, propaganda can technically be in the presentation of true facts. It can also be a promotion of a certain philosophy that interprets those facts in different ways.
Good propaganda is. The recipe is to use some facts and add a cause, derive a conclusion, exaggerate the fact, mention other facts irrelevant in the context but implying something in combination…
Just lying gets you the people already in you camp. The others don’t have a reason to believe you. But if you add some facts, the lies become easier to believe if the person doesn’t already know better.
You’re right! Should’ve put “necessarily” based on facts. At the very least that propaganda distorts facts. Basically propaganda doesn’t really care about being factual and will go out of its way to ignore inconvenient facts.
And the riots in France are effective? All it has done is create campaign material for Le Pen’s political ads for the presidential election next April. These Nazi are already spinning it as a migrant problem. Le Pen will certainly win now as she surges in popularity.
You can’t judge the effectiveness of any action only by its immediate measurable effects. The working class of the US is in a long period of finding their courage and strength and solidarity after decades of propaganda hid it from them. Every peaceful protest encourages bigger peaceful protests and they encourage more disruptive protests. Every protest that gets tear gassed all to hell by the police pisses people off more and encourages more and bigger and even more disruptive protests.
I hate how slow this is all going too and I have been ready for and advocating for direct action for a long fucking time now. I have taken direct action when the scale is small enough that I can do it alone. It takes time to rouse a population and it is embarrassing to our country that it’s taking so long but it is absolute bullshit to say that what we’ve done has been ‘nothing effective’. Class consciousness is higher than I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime and it’s only growing. The amount of people ready for direct action and the amount of groups organizing is greater than I have ever seen it. That’s all progress. It’s happening. Instead of being a doomer go out and organize and you’ll see what is growing.
i mean that kinda ignores what la, minnesota, new york, etc did earlier this year… especially considering people were murdered by ice because of it.
It also ignores our lack of healthcare and our militarized police force.
I don’t think propaganda is based in facts.
Um, actually, propaganda can technically be in the presentation of true facts. It can also be a promotion of a certain philosophy that interprets those facts in different ways.
Good propaganda is. The recipe is to use some facts and add a cause, derive a conclusion, exaggerate the fact, mention other facts irrelevant in the context but implying something in combination…
Just lying gets you the people already in you camp. The others don’t have a reason to believe you. But if you add some facts, the lies become easier to believe if the person doesn’t already know better.
You’re right! Should’ve put “necessarily” based on facts. At the very least that propaganda distorts facts. Basically propaganda doesn’t really care about being factual and will go out of its way to ignore inconvenient facts.
It wasn’t always a meaningless pejorative. McCarthyism did that, which is still going on.
Putin has become our “Emanuel Goldstein” foreign boogieman for everything the Epstein Class has done to us.
Those cities did nothing effective.
And the riots in France are effective? All it has done is create campaign material for Le Pen’s political ads for the presidential election next April. These Nazi are already spinning it as a migrant problem. Le Pen will certainly win now as she surges in popularity.
Same thing happened in Germany when they let bankers run the country, same thing happening in ALL of Europe now.
When you make grassroots socialist populism impossible you make faux-populist fascism inevitable.
As if they wouldn’t be ranting about immigrants anyway
You can’t judge the effectiveness of any action only by its immediate measurable effects. The working class of the US is in a long period of finding their courage and strength and solidarity after decades of propaganda hid it from them. Every peaceful protest encourages bigger peaceful protests and they encourage more disruptive protests. Every protest that gets tear gassed all to hell by the police pisses people off more and encourages more and bigger and even more disruptive protests.
I hate how slow this is all going too and I have been ready for and advocating for direct action for a long fucking time now. I have taken direct action when the scale is small enough that I can do it alone. It takes time to rouse a population and it is embarrassing to our country that it’s taking so long but it is absolute bullshit to say that what we’ve done has been ‘nothing effective’. Class consciousness is higher than I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime and it’s only growing. The amount of people ready for direct action and the amount of groups organizing is greater than I have ever seen it. That’s all progress. It’s happening. Instead of being a doomer go out and organize and you’ll see what is growing.
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Division is irrelevant to the point in hand. Especially when there’s nothing there.