sad but true. we have become soft from decades of relative peace within our nation. its been so long that too many do not remember the fighters that bought us all that peace and have taken it for granted. i understand, as did everyone that ever had to do it, that fighting is mean, nasty, ugly, and painful in ways few can comprehend. but thats literally what it takes to take back our peace from the ones that took it from us. preaching, and words in general are never quite enough.
Yeah, because a non-militerized police force and universal healthcare in France has nothing to do with it.
French people don’t riot because they have that stuff. They have that stuff because they riot.
When have French police ever been comparable to American police?
It’s easy to forget what French people are rioting over. But also easy to forget that Macron has held office in an iron grip for decades, with no end in sight.
Also, ffs, please stop pretending Americans don’t riot.
Also, ffs, please stop pretending Americans don’t riot.
Oh, I haven’t been. I was only pointing out two major differences between the US and France.
quit pretending
You’re the one pretending. Pull your head out of your ass.
LOL
That’s all you got, huh? No surprise.
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We need to borrow a few French tutors.
The Tudors are what started this whole mess
Americans will do literally anything if it means the treats keep flowing.
There is no peaceful solution to an infestation of conservatives. Absolutely vote, but then understand it will not be enough to stop stage-4 conservatism. The right has no intention of leaving two-dozen brand new jumbo concentration camps unused.
Conservatives are not going to suddenly change their minds and decide to be peaceful. They will need to be stopped by force, locally within our neighborhoods and likely without mass organizing. Be ready to act alone. Be merciless. Be prolific.
Absolutely vote? Wasn’t it the democrats who originally started using those concentration camps? Why the hell should we keep supporting liberals as an obligation, this kind of stuff is why you’ll never move left of the Democratic Party.
No. These concentration camps are brand new and have never been used. There are over two dozen of them. The conservatives hope to begin enforcing NSPM-7 guidance after midterms, arresting innocent citizens and vulnerable classes as terrorists.
These “detainees” will not receive any due process and can be held indefinitely without being charged with a crime, per the Patriot Act. So, it’s just typical conservative fascism. Conservatives are cartoonishly, profoundly evil and need to be dealt with.
I remember people being deported all the time under liberal administrations technically legally, and you were all silent about it. What’s happening now is the natural extrapolation of where that was heading.
Yes and, it’s also gotten worse. You and the person you’re replying to are both right. Liberals have been deporting people too, and also, there really are a bunch of new concentration camps, because the conservatives want to deport even more people. You’re both right!
It becomes a problem when they also start killing people with names like Renee or Alex.
You started at “Democrats were using these camps”, and now you’re at “the Democrats did something that can be interpreted as a precursor to what’s happening now”.
You’re wildly shifting the goalposts to keep Democrats central to your ire, while also saying that something is just as bad as something that is an escalation of it.
A preceding B does not make A equivalent to B.All countries deport people.
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And third, the right to be owned by Russians like a slave.
Every accusation is a confession.
Ukrainians are the slaves, neofeudal serfs to their blackrock lords.
All opposition parties are banned.
All opposition media has been seized by the state.
They can’t vote.
Men can’t even leave to escape being kidnapped off the street ICE style. They’re dressing like old women in public. They’re drowning in rivers trying to escape this death cult. Just an impossible VICTORY OR an inevitable DEATH?
Their grandchildren’s grandchildren will still be paying off generational debt from predatory military and IMF loans.
And for what? Same reason America always goes to war…
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Go to Slava Intel on Telegram. It’s the height of Russian Z rhetoric. They hate Trump just as much as you or I do.
This rhetoric has no basis in reality, and is designed only for the consumption of ill informed American liberals.
I’m going to end up blocking this entire platform. Half from AI boosting and the other half from liberal vote scolding.
If you don’t believe AI can mimic liberals…
Bash>DOS
comparing shells to operating systems… command.com will prevail!
BS we had riots with BLM. They are putting up mass surveillance because they know that it’s coming again. “A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear?” - MLK
How long ago were the MLK riots?
Goodlord, that was 60 years ago.
Th quote remains relevant
Well he’s right. As an American I don’t worry about a civil war or citizen revolt here. Present-day Americans can yell at their televisions and post badass tirades online, but they couldn’t revolt their way out of a Walmart. It’s far too inconvenient. Even after the Jan 6 idiots forced their way into the Capitol building, what did they do - committed minor vandalism and took selfies.
Same here.
Plus I think it’s important to point out for folks outside the US that even though this place looks like a spiraling shit hole from the outside (and rightly so) that for tons of people living here life is completely normal and pleasant. Living in such a fortunate/privileged position you have to put effort into paying attention and giving a shit in order to see that the emperor has no clothes.
The American Way is for most of us to have things pretty good at the price of a horrifyingly large minority of us suffering for it. Plus of course all the people in other countries that our government has fucked with or killed.
This place always has had the reputation of being the richest country in the world, yet unable or unwilling to guarantee healthcare or a thousand other things. Our outward appearance may be dumpster fire, but our bank account still has a lot of zeros. People are too comfortable to force change.
Now, if the midterm elections are a horror show that gets people killed and it kicks off the AI stock market meltdown, it could probably change quickly. I just don’t expect it to change quickly.
Wait, are you saying that Hollywood to the wrong side of the whole thing?
i mean that kinda ignores what la, minnesota, new york, etc did earlier this year… especially considering people were murdered by ice because of it.
It also ignores our lack of healthcare and our militarized police force.
I don’t think propaganda is based in facts.
Um, actually, propaganda can technically be in the presentation of true facts. It can also be a promotion of a certain philosophy that interprets those facts in different ways.
Good propaganda is. The recipe is to use some facts and add a cause, derive a conclusion, exaggerate the fact, mention other facts irrelevant in the context but implying something in combination…
Just lying gets you the people already in you camp. The others don’t have a reason to believe you. But if you add some facts, the lies become easier to believe if the person doesn’t already know better.You’re right! Should’ve put “necessarily” based on facts. At the very least that propaganda distorts facts. Basically propaganda doesn’t really care about being factual and will go out of its way to ignore inconvenient facts.
It wasn’t always a meaningless pejorative. McCarthyism did that, which is still going on.
Putin has become our “Emanuel Goldstein” foreign boogieman for everything the Epstein Class has done to us.
Those cities did nothing effective.
And the riots in France are effective? All it has done is create campaign material for Le Pen’s political ads for the presidential election next April. These Nazi are already spinning it as a migrant problem. Le Pen will certainly win now as she surges in popularity.
Same thing happened in Germany when they let bankers run the country, same thing happening in ALL of Europe now.
When you make grassroots socialist populism impossible you make faux-populist fascism inevitable.
As if they wouldn’t be ranting about immigrants anyway
You can’t judge the effectiveness of any action only by its immediate measurable effects. The working class of the US is in a long period of finding their courage and strength and solidarity after decades of propaganda hid it from them. Every peaceful protest encourages bigger peaceful protests and they encourage more disruptive protests. Every protest that gets tear gassed all to hell by the police pisses people off more and encourages more and bigger and even more disruptive protests.
I hate how slow this is all going too and I have been ready for and advocating for direct action for a long fucking time now. I have taken direct action when the scale is small enough that I can do it alone. It takes time to rouse a population and it is embarrassing to our country that it’s taking so long but it is absolute bullshit to say that what we’ve done has been ‘nothing effective’. Class consciousness is higher than I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime and it’s only growing. The amount of people ready for direct action and the amount of groups organizing is greater than I have ever seen it. That’s all progress. It’s happening. Instead of being a doomer go out and organize and you’ll see what is growing.
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Division is irrelevant to the point in hand. Especially when there’s nothing there.
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Brace yourself for an apparently super edgy hot take:
Rioting > voting
rioting & voting > just rioting
just voting > nothing at all
Discouraging voting or rioting = supporting the status quo.
I’m stealing random awesome Lemmy quotes for early voting encouragement cards. Would you like your user handle to be kept out of it or can I credit it?
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Lol, fuck this comm. They banned you for encouraging people to vote? It’s so fucking transparent what they’re doing.
Interesting concept, terrible execution, run by people with an agenda to push. I’ve finally decided to block it.
Put a small rock in your shoe, too, because they can use gait as another identifying variable.
And scope your ALPR camera locations, too. Also, there are ALWAYS like 2x more than what are listed. They can also pull private cameras, too, if they really feel like it.
Always plan your egress.
There is strength in numbers. But also for them. And you are still fleshy and soft and breakable. Be careful, a lot of these cops and feds are terrorists and are not playing safe anymore, they WILL try to maim anybody, kill you if they get an excuse, and ruin your livelihoods if given the chance.
This is not a game. This is not a test. This country is sick.
In the meantime, work on your cardio. Always work on your cardio. They are, too.
Remember, the US is extremely well funded on the bad side, and is basically the biggest, most well funded, and well backed gang in the entire world by a huge margin, still. If you get found or get your card pulled and get singled out, you better be prepared and make the right decisions, because money, hate, fear, ignorance, and power does awful things to even seemingly normal people.
Rioting = participatory democracy
Voting for status quo defined by elite = not actual democracy
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I’m not trying to convince you to not vote, but the system is rigged and I’m trying to convince you to riot.
That’s fair and entirely accurate.
Edit: everybody should still vote though. Do both! Voting is easy, rioting is less easy, but is directly effective.
No it isn’t, it’s counter effective because it helps maintain the liberal parties as the farthest left conceivable parties.
If we instead convinced people to become communists instead of uselessly voting for liberals we would have more actual communists.
“Perpetuate the system of fascist capitalist pedophile elites! But also fight against it!”
They should still vote. Not sure why that’s off the table entirely.
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The meme is wrong. Instead of “: vote” it should say “: do nothing “
Nothing about this says that voting is off the table entirely…
No but it’s a common sentiment from sentiment circles on here
I think the tabel is falling off the table.
Protesting quietly, on the weekend, in a non-disruptive fashion is as good as we can do.
