Comes off racist if youre scared to use the word black for describing the color of a thing to someone who is black. Black isnt a bad word but you’re thinking of its negative connotations applied to people by racists.
That’s literally fascist propaganda. Fasces is Latin for a bundle of sticks and that was the image of strength that Italian fascists were trying to evoke.
Oh, so there is an automated censoring system in place. I thought people were saying removed en lieu of re-tard on Lemmy on whichever instance I was visiting. Kind of like how people use unalive.
I don’t think it’s Lemmy. I think it’s per-instance. Lemmy.world is not a great or open place. They’re very close to Reddit, with way too much control over Lemmy where it’s almost synonymous. Take this as a warning if you’re creating a community or new account to spread things out.
.ml doesn’t influence Lemmy much. Lemmy.world is the largest instance by far, and they leverage that control to force things on the larger Lemmy community. ml has issues, but at least they don’t force things on anyone else. The lead developer of Lemmy is there, so they could, but they don’t.
Anyway, the point is that Lemmy is only as safe as it is diversified. People should be joining smaller instances, and communities created on other instances, rather than just going to the largest one.
Yeah, like I said, they could, but they really don’t. How often do you see posts from that instance in your feed? They influence each other, but it doesn’t spread far beyond that.
Also, the biggest communities for a lot of the more populat things are on .ml. I like anime, when I searched for a big and active anime comm, I headed first to the .ml one rather than to the .world one, because that second one was smaller. I still subscribed to bot; but then I noticed the tankie-pro-dictatorships nature of .ml and, at first, just argued, having some hope, then just blocked them when I noticed they’re hopeless.
Fuck off. Writing about how and why faggot is a slur is a legitimate use.
Informing who used the term faggot in a degenerative way is a legitimate way to use it. Writing about the history of the word faggot also is.
If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word “goal” as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say “I have goals” or “omg, we’re goals” (“we’re goals” as “we’re matching”)?
If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they’ll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves. That’s a way of letting them controlling language.
It’s not that I just want to use slurs. I’m… um… principled! That’s the ticket! Stopping me from saying slurs is a moral hazard. What if I were a historian and this were a conversation about the history of the slur?? It’s not… but if I can construct a pretext then… uh… stop woke! DEI!
Don’t you understand there are categories of inferior people, and we need to be vile to them???
I cant think of a single conversation that would be improved with a hard-R or the above mentioned work being spelled out vs referenced. Slurs are one of those “we have freedom of speech but please never say that ever again” type things. Perhaps autocensorship is a bit over the line, but we should be intolerant to intolerance.
I like to think of slurs as one of those, “we have freedom of speech but also you are not free from consequences for what you say,” sorta things. So, yeah, go ahead and say it if you want to, but don’t be a bitch about it if people tell you to fuck off or call you a Nazi.
It’s also the name of a meat dish in the UK. Sort of like meatballs in gravy. Although it’s rarely used in the singular. Wonder if the link get censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
Reminds me of The Office joke where Michael asks Oscar what his ethnicity is and Oscar says “Mexican” and Michael says “There’s gotta be a better word to use than that”.
I think the crack about Spanish is because the Spanish word for “black” is “negro.” But it is also not pronounced the same way as racist southerners say it. Spanish uses a short E, where as rednecks insist on saying it “neeegro,” perhaps in the hopes that it’ll make them taller. So don’t do that.
The peanut gallery will win no points for guessing that the origin of the n-word is a mutation and/or corruption of “negro” and its various permutations in the other Romance languages that white people were all dragging with them across the Atlantic, all of which are just the words for the color black. For instance, in Latin it’s the even closer “niger,” single G.
So decades ago I worked at a bike shop and some college students came in. One of them was black, everyone else in the shop was white. She sat down on a bike, that was all black with dark grey lettering. And I said “this bike looks great, I love the black on black look.” Everyone looked at me funny, she immediately got off the bike, and i literally died inside and froze up.
20 years later and i still think about this.
Also I should note that it was not the first time I used that phrase for that bike - when you work sales you end up with little automatic narratives that you barely think about.
I agree, but also black for coffee isn’t just describing the color. It’s describing the character. Sugar doesn’t change the color, but that isn’t black coffee. Black for coffee is a label/category, not a description.
It’s still stupid to be scared to call it black, just as it’s stupid to be scared of calling black people black. It’s a common term that everyone understands, and it isn’t an insult.
I don’t know about the specific scenario in the comic, but it seems understandable to be afraid of being perceived as racist just because of how much of a touchy subject it is, if you aren’t able to be confident in knowing how what you say will be interpreted.
To me it’s hard to see this comic without thinking we’re supposed to laugh at the ridiculousness of the person in it and not as much sympathize with his position
That’s exactly the problem.
Anything can be touchy or sensible for at least one person. You don’t know what will trigger someone. That kind lf overcorrectionism is hazardous as it might cause everyone to freeze and be unable to say virtually anithing out of fear of touching anyone else’s sensibility.
I think freedom of speech should only be limited in the case of immediate and/or evident danger, but not just by mere feelings or sensibilities.
There is a long tradition of “black” being used to describe evil things, which may or may not be related to racism. I think being conscious of this can be useful, but black means a lack of light, and a black hole is something that light can’t escape from. It’s a perfect term for that.
Comes off racist if youre scared to use the word black for describing the color of a thing to someone who is black. Black isnt a bad word but you’re thinking of its negative connotations applied to people by racists.
Calling a black object “black” = Does not offend.
Calling your car’s late ignition timing “retarded” = Does not offend.
Calling your dog a “bitch” = Does not offend.
Calling your rooster a “cock” = does not offend.
Calling a tied bundle of sticks for burning a “removed” = Does not offend.
Just follow your friendly dictionary and you’ll be fine.
Also: Hi mods. You’re probably here because of your word filter.
Edit: Something replaced “f-a-g-g-o-t” with “removed” automatically. I’m going to leave it because it’s hilarious that bundled sticks are forbidden.
He’s right. Individually, we are weak like a single twig.
That’s literally fascist propaganda. Fasces is Latin for a bundle of sticks and that was the image of strength that Italian fascists were trying to evoke.
Actually, it’s literally a Simpsons joke making reference to the propaganda, and the punchline is that he doesn’t say fasces. He says something else.
Good context 👍
Oh, so there is an automated censoring system in place. I thought people were saying removed en lieu of re-tard on
Lemmyon whichever instance I was visiting. Kind of like how people use unalive.I don’t think it’s Lemmy. I think it’s per-instance. Lemmy.world is not a great or open place. They’re very close to Reddit, with way too much control over Lemmy where it’s almost synonymous. Take this as a warning if you’re creating a community or new account to spread things out.
Same for .ml instances, too
.ml doesn’t influence Lemmy much. Lemmy.world is the largest instance by far, and they leverage that control to force things on the larger Lemmy community. ml has issues, but at least they don’t force things on anyone else. The lead developer of Lemmy is there, so they could, but they don’t.
Anyway, the point is that Lemmy is only as safe as it is diversified. People should be joining smaller instances, and communities created on other instances, rather than just going to the largest one.
Lemmy.ml is the flagship instance created by the Lemmy developers. I wouldn’t say they don’t influence that much.
And Lemmygrad.ml… Well, they’re their slaves.
Yeah, like I said, they could, but they really don’t. How often do you see posts from that instance in your feed? They influence each other, but it doesn’t spread far beyond that.
I saw them a lot until I blocked them.
Also, the biggest communities for a lot of the more populat things are on .ml. I like anime, when I searched for a big and active anime comm, I headed first to the .ml one rather than to the .world one, because that second one was smaller. I still subscribed to bot; but then I noticed the tankie-pro-dictatorships nature of .ml and, at first, just argued, having some hope, then just blocked them when I noticed they’re hopeless.
Ah, I see. Thanks!
Mods need to turn that shit off. Computers should never tell a human what to say.
Removed is way worse, though. It’s practically advocating eugenics.
Its basically never used in a legitimate way unless youre a british smoker or something, and even then you are likely aware of the slur.
Kindling or whatever the other word im blanking on is would likely be more appropriate
“Hey can you grab me that F____?” Would mentally auto correct to “Hey, can you grab me that, F_____?” In my brain
Fuck off. Writing about how and why faggot is a slur is a legitimate use. Informing who used the term faggot in a degenerative way is a legitimate way to use it. Writing about the history of the word faggot also is.
Censorship sucks.
Automated Censorship is stupid and dangerous.
If tomorrow some nazi fash starts using the word “goal” as some slur, would it be then incorrect to say “I have goals” or “omg, we’re goals” (“we’re goals” as “we’re matching”)?
If we concede them every word they co-opt, then they’ll colonialize all language. Just as with the word queer, we should be the ones reclaiming it for ourselves. That’s a way of letting them controlling language.
It’s not that I just want to use slurs. I’m… um… principled! That’s the ticket! Stopping me from saying slurs is a moral hazard. What if I were a historian and this were a conversation about the history of the slur?? It’s not… but if I can construct a pretext then… uh… stop woke! DEI!
Don’t you understand there are categories of inferior people, and we need to be vile to them???
I cant think of a single conversation that would be improved with a hard-R or the above mentioned work being spelled out vs referenced. Slurs are one of those “we have freedom of speech but please never say that ever again” type things. Perhaps autocensorship is a bit over the line, but we should be intolerant to intolerance.
English isn’t my native language. Hard-R is that retard?
I fear that refusing to use those words even in a educational sense is rewriting history a bit.
It’s weird how americans who been all over the Internet claiming germany has no free speech because gloryfication of the Nazis is forbidden.
Yet it was always fine to write that heil hitler was a common greeting of people who brutally murdered millions.
While writing that fuckwit racists used the term nigger to put themselves over other humans is now frowned upon
Its the N-slur, used primarily by american slave owners to demean their victims.
I like to think of slurs as one of those, “we have freedom of speech but also you are not free from consequences for what you say,” sorta things. So, yeah, go ahead and say it if you want to, but don’t be a bitch about it if people tell you to fuck off or call you a Nazi.
Realistically, what recourse other than forced censorship or banning is there
My experience as a user is vastly improved by not seeing slurs.
Yeah, in the UK you might bum a fag. Which, now that I write it out, can mean something very different.
It’s also the name of a meat dish in the UK. Sort of like meatballs in gravy. Although it’s rarely used in the singular. Wonder if the link get censored https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)
Mmm, now I want to have some faggots for dinner.
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Did it happen instantly, or was it a redacted action?
I noticed within seconds of posting it.
It was a joke about it was a reyarded action
Reminds me of The Office joke where Michael asks Oscar what his ethnicity is and Oscar says “Mexican” and Michael says “There’s gotta be a better word to use than that”.
Also the bit in 30 Rock.
“It’s not because you’re a… uh, what do you call yourself?”
“A Puerto Rican.”
“No, I know you can say that, but what do I call you?”
“A Puerto Rican.”
“Wow… that does not sound right.”
I think the crack about Spanish is because the Spanish word for “black” is “negro.” But it is also not pronounced the same way as racist southerners say it. Spanish uses a short E, where as rednecks insist on saying it “neeegro,” perhaps in the hopes that it’ll make them taller. So don’t do that.
The peanut gallery will win no points for guessing that the origin of the n-word is a mutation and/or corruption of “negro” and its various permutations in the other Romance languages that white people were all dragging with them across the Atlantic, all of which are just the words for the color black. For instance, in Latin it’s the even closer “niger,” single G.
So decades ago I worked at a bike shop and some college students came in. One of them was black, everyone else in the shop was white. She sat down on a bike, that was all black with dark grey lettering. And I said “this bike looks great, I love the black on black look.” Everyone looked at me funny, she immediately got off the bike, and i literally died inside and froze up.
20 years later and i still think about this.
Also I should note that it was not the first time I used that phrase for that bike - when you work sales you end up with little automatic narratives that you barely think about.
Saying anyone is black is never racist.
Ehhh, context and tone can go a long way.
In a neutral context, absolutely. I’ve heard people use saying it as an attack in some vile ways.
I agree, but also black for coffee isn’t just describing the color. It’s describing the character. Sugar doesn’t change the color, but that isn’t black coffee. Black for coffee is a label/category, not a description.
It’s still stupid to be scared to call it black, just as it’s stupid to be scared of calling black people black. It’s a common term that everyone understands, and it isn’t an insult.
The implication I got from the comic imo is that the person is going to ridiculous lengths to appear anti-racist
I don’t know about the specific scenario in the comic, but it seems understandable to be afraid of being perceived as racist just because of how much of a touchy subject it is, if you aren’t able to be confident in knowing how what you say will be interpreted.
To me it’s hard to see this comic without thinking we’re supposed to laugh at the ridiculousness of the person in it and not as much sympathize with his position
I honestly think the intent is both. It’s funny because we can recognize it’s a bit ridiculous, and still see ourselves in that position
That’s exactly the problem. Anything can be touchy or sensible for at least one person. You don’t know what will trigger someone. That kind lf overcorrectionism is hazardous as it might cause everyone to freeze and be unable to say virtually anithing out of fear of touching anyone else’s sensibility.
I think freedom of speech should only be limited in the case of immediate and/or evident danger, but not just by mere feelings or sensibilities.
Yeah lots of repressed racism with whoever does these shitty strips.
Now I’m thinking of the politician who was offended by black holes.
There is a long tradition of “black” being used to describe evil things, which may or may not be related to racism. I think being conscious of this can be useful, but black means a lack of light, and a black hole is something that light can’t escape from. It’s a perfect term for that.