Sorry for replying again on the same comment I already replied to. But… Again this “punish”.
It seriously looks like the whole damn island is aboard this thought of “they are punishing us”.
How is it punishment that you are not given a preferential treatment? The thought that you not getting extra rights over other EU countries is somehow punishment is on a very high level of exceptionalism. What is punishment about having to pay the full membership fee according to the same rules everyone does? The rebate existed because EU was weak and really needed UK in, and UK was able to blackmail EU into the rebate. Why is it a “punishment” that we don’t agree to exceptional terms we were strong-armed into half a century ago? The same with the Euro and Schengen… How is it a punishment that you have to follow rules also we others have to follow?
This, how every damn conversation about brexit gets filled with English people going “EU wants to punish us” for getting the same normal treatment we all others have always gotten, really makes it look like you guys seriously do need more time out.
What makes UK so much better than Finland, France, Slovenia, Germany or Spain that it should be entitled to some extra rights over them? Can for example you answer, @fartsparkles@lemmy.world? Or @frogcat@piefed.social, because you wrote about the “punishment” as well? Where does this notion of “punishment” stem from?
I used the term not in connection to the rhetoric I think you’re (rightly) responding to - I’ve not encountered that so I can’t give you any commentary. I used “punish” in the sense that many want to only allow the UK back if they switch to the Euro etc (which personally I think would be best).
The issue lies in by making it harder to get the UK back on board (full EU membership vs EC membership) will likely deter the UK from rejoining (stupid “patriotism” and a fear of change plus the fact it’ll be latched on to by those that want to keep the UK disconnected from the EU).
The path of least resistance to reunite the UK and EU would be to restore the prior membership terms they had.
Brexit was fucking dumb but I think it’s dumber to deny them to return to their prior place than to not have them at all.
That said, my personal stance is full EU + Schengen etc should be the route the UK takes, if they could convince the public to agree to it.
The issue lies in by making it harder to get the UK back on board (full EU membership vs EC membership) will likely deter the UK from rejoining (stupid “patriotism” and a fear of change plus the fact it’ll be latched on to by those that want to keep the UK disconnected from the EU).
My thoughts regarding this are that as long as that something as banal as that deters them from rejoining, they really should not rejoin. Because they would still be a danger. I want to see the danger neutralized first, then they we can safely welcome them back.
But also: I was feeling a bit like I had written a little bit too harshly and I really appreciate the friendly tone of your message. You have awesome conversational skills, kudos for that!
Sorry for replying again on the same comment I already replied to. But… Again this “punish”.
It seriously looks like the whole damn island is aboard this thought of “they are punishing us”.
How is it punishment that you are not given a preferential treatment? The thought that you not getting extra rights over other EU countries is somehow punishment is on a very high level of exceptionalism. What is punishment about having to pay the full membership fee according to the same rules everyone does? The rebate existed because EU was weak and really needed UK in, and UK was able to blackmail EU into the rebate. Why is it a “punishment” that we don’t agree to exceptional terms we were strong-armed into half a century ago? The same with the Euro and Schengen… How is it a punishment that you have to follow rules also we others have to follow?
This, how every damn conversation about brexit gets filled with English people going “EU wants to punish us” for getting the same normal treatment we all others have always gotten, really makes it look like you guys seriously do need more time out.
What makes UK so much better than Finland, France, Slovenia, Germany or Spain that it should be entitled to some extra rights over them? Can for example you answer, @fartsparkles@lemmy.world? Or @frogcat@piefed.social, because you wrote about the “punishment” as well? Where does this notion of “punishment” stem from?
I used the term not in connection to the rhetoric I think you’re (rightly) responding to - I’ve not encountered that so I can’t give you any commentary. I used “punish” in the sense that many want to only allow the UK back if they switch to the Euro etc (which personally I think would be best).
The issue lies in by making it harder to get the UK back on board (full EU membership vs EC membership) will likely deter the UK from rejoining (stupid “patriotism” and a fear of change plus the fact it’ll be latched on to by those that want to keep the UK disconnected from the EU).
The path of least resistance to reunite the UK and EU would be to restore the prior membership terms they had.
Brexit was fucking dumb but I think it’s dumber to deny them to return to their prior place than to not have them at all.
That said, my personal stance is full EU + Schengen etc should be the route the UK takes, if they could convince the public to agree to it.
My thoughts regarding this are that as long as that something as banal as that deters them from rejoining, they really should not rejoin. Because they would still be a danger. I want to see the danger neutralized first, then they we can safely welcome them back.
But also: I was feeling a bit like I had written a little bit too harshly and I really appreciate the friendly tone of your message. You have awesome conversational skills, kudos for that!
This is a topic that stirs a lot of emotion so I totally understand and thank you for the kind words!