• dgdft@lemmy.world
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    21 hours ago

    The court filing is linked in the first paragraph and worth a read. The article is a bit vague because the claims in the filing are pretty sweeping, but to list some highlights:

    • Brave started selling copyrighted scraped articles in bulk from their search index to AI companies
    • Brave built explicit and targeted functionality into their browser to circumvent newspaper paywalls
    • Brave repeats long, verbatim sections of NYT & other papers’ material on request through their AI web search feature

    I’m neither an attorney nor a huge fan of IP rights writ large, but in my reading, the newspapers are making a pretty strong case that Brave is consciously stealing and reselling copyrighted material in unaltered form for monetary gain.

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      6 hours ago

      IP rights are pretty awesome for a lot of engineers, writers and artists.

      Regardless, anyone who’s paywall can be defeated by a little JS switcheroo has dogshit for a paywall. If I have apple trees in my yard, and my fence is made of 7 or 8 sticks, when people stop by and snack on an apple, should I be mad at them or myself?

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          3 hours ago

          Sure, but it might be hard for NYT to make the case for that. All the browser fingerprint would say is “Chrome” and have spoofed data after that.

          I expect they did some trial and error to demonstrate what’s happening before filling a lawsuit over it.

          That being said, NYT just told everyone how to get free NYT. Best advertising Brave ever had.

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            Also, I think the NYT made it easy to bypass so they can pick up the non-savvy or richer readers who otherwise wouldn’t pay for something that is literally free, while still not limitting access and thereby reach. It might not be incompetence.

            It’s a hard balance to strike, because the best advertising for your paper is articles people send to each other. If nobody can read them, then nobody will become intrigued by a subscription, but if they are totally free nobody will bother subscribing.

            That’s why some sites have a certain number of free articles a month.

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      16 hours ago

      Thank you for the summary. Ironically, this makes me want to try Brave again, ha.

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        15 hours ago

        I would love for someone to correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t brave one of the ones who would block the ads of a website just to see newer their own? So not only are you not supporting the website, you still see ads.

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          15 hours ago

          Yeah, they’re shady, no doubt, I won’t really try them again. I’ll keep using Firefox and Librewolf and I use Kagi for search and like their AI summaries. I do like tools for accessing gated news when I need it, though, which was what piqued my interest.