What do you folks use instead of Proton and Google? Ideally I’m looking for:

  • Non-profit.
  • European-based if possible.
  • Paid is fine.
  • Low-risk. E.g. unlikely to disappear, unlikely to go bankrupt.

My reason to want non-profit is that it’s the best way to align mine and the provider’s incentives, I think. I’d consider for-profit as well, but it’s best if it’s a non-profit.

So far I like disroot a lot. But they are principled about being unpaid, so if the financial ends don’t meet each other my emails will be in trouble. I’m donating to them, but I have my worries. I’m willing to pay a little if I know that my money will go for a quality service, for expansion of coverage (new users) and for open-source technologies.

Proton and their founder Andy are just a piece of sh*t in terms of upper management, so that’s not worth discussing.

Posteo seems adequate. Tuta feels similar to Posteo with a bit more push for fanciness. Is there something similar but non-profit?

  • vas@lemmy.mlOP
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    3 days ago

    It looks interesting. However, few things are hard for me to process:

    • They seem to be busy with hosting, an IPO last month and honestly quite interesting sounding projects like home heating as a heat sink for their datacenters. That honestly sounds interesting. But on the other hand, for emails specifically, I’m thinking of something very single-focused, narrow-scoped. “Do one thing but do it well” type of approach.
    • I got lost in their docs trying to understand if they support inbound encryption with a user-provided PGP key or not.
    • They require SMS registration. Like reaaalllyyyy? Sorry for this emotional part, I just so didn’t expect this. It’s a disaster from almost every possible angle. It’s terrible security, trivially remotely hackable. Terrible privacy. I guess it may help them just a tiny bit with their non-paid accounts as a throttle barrier (so that I don’t register 1000 times in a row). But man, it’s not worth all the negative aspects that this brings.
    • psyq@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      I thought the SMS was only on free accounts and only so they can limit to the countries where they offer free services (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Italy, France, Liechtenstein, maybe Benelux countries, not sure).

      If it’s for every account then yeah, that’s not great. I must have forgotten about this, I use TOTP for 2FA and so never see any SMS from them.

      They are definitely not the do-one-thing kind, they’re more of a bundle of dozens of things done reasonably well, and then a few things done extremely well (e.g. their VPS Lite and hosted Cloudstack infra).

      About the incoming PGP I don’t know either, I believe I’ve only used something like that successfully with mailbox.org but it’s been a decade or so so I might be misremembering; mailbox.org does have some PGP-based incoming encryption but I’m not sure if they generate all the keys there.