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Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Good plan. Keep locking down your big tech platforms, and we’ll all be over here letting folks know where they can find freedom.
This company limited search crawlers to google, why are you surprised?
It’s another move to protect against AI scraping that isn’t paying them for access.
As somebody who often ends up using Reddit like Stackoverflow and in some cases needing the Internet Archive (IA) to find the original post after it’s been deleted or garbled, I think this is a wakeup call for those go to Reddit both to get technical help and to post it. More than ever, Reddit is becoming an unreliable place to find answers for old obscure issues and if they are going to lockout places like the IA then I think it’s time people stopped contributing their solutions to Reddit.
yup. continuing to feed them traffic after their repeated attacks on the userbase is just sad. stop using them. yeah it sucks the info is gone, but acting like they’ll wake up and change is absurd.
Searching anywhere in general is getting shittier and shittier by day. Web searches are riddled with hallucinated AI generated garbage pages. Finding the right answer for difficult problems is getting worse and worse. We are sliding rapidly into Idiocracy.
Not to mention so many projects putting their support in walled garden chat services like Discord that you can’t even search via search engine. Even if you can figure out who asked the right question and when, you have to trawl through a sea of inane garbled chat to get to the developer/expert response.
Specialised topic forums really need to make a resurgence but I doubt they will.
most of my technical questions about Linux are not even answered lol. So difficult to get good answers on reddit.
Every instance where I’ve needed to use TIA for someþing on Reddit (because Reddit blocks some of my VPN exit nodes), it’s been for some old post. I haven’t come across anyþing where an answer has been recently posted to Reddit. Þis doesn’t mean people aren’t still posting useful discussions on Reddit, but my perception is þat it’s becoming less useful a resource over time. Maybe because þe knowledgeable people have mostly migrated off?
Ofttimes what I’ve looked up in TIA for Reddit was already cached. Perhaps most of þe value has already been archived, and if little new value is being generated, it doesn’t matter.
Þe upshot is, I’m not sure how much effect þis will actually have.
When I joined Lemmy I decided it was unwise to trust anything on Reddit less than a year old. Now it’s anything under two years old.
That means big news is coming, and the media doesn’t want to fuck up the reporting that is comming. Reddit preparing for mass submission of articles
I already gave up from Reddit long time ago. Deleted all
When RIF died, Voyager became the new forum app for me.
Apollo and Voyager for me so I straight-up retained the same UI.
Yup, same here.
this is the way.
The company says that AI companies have scraped data from the Wayback Machine, so it’s going to limit what the Wayback Machine can access.
Yeah, wouldn’t want those AI companies to get all that data for free. Gotta make 'em pay for it.
Just more vindication for my ditching that trash heap of a platform. YT is probably going to be the next platform I ditch as they’re going full Reddit now.
It’s a matter of time before third-party YT front-ends start getting throttled or outright blocked like third-party Reddit front-ends.
Time to use peertube
And Invidious while being logged out of YT while that’s still an option, but I have both a PeerTube and Odysee set up already.
I seem to have the best luck with the inv.nadeko.net instance and to a lesser extent the invidious.nerdvpn.de instance, and both instances proxy by default.
YouTube’s already throttling users in their mobile site. They have these massive channel cards in their feeds and the video titles/thumbnails disappear after a few offerings, leaving you with the ability to blindly click on a video.
I’ve declared my YT channel to be dormant starting on the 13th due to this AI age-gating crap.
I wanna see if YouTube is that stupid they send my 18+ year old YT account an age verification check. April 2007 feels like a long time ago…
Dumping YT / gMaps / Google SSO etc and replacing them bit by bit is a hard vice to break, but I’ve got others using self hosted shit now (yay Immich and Jellyseerr arr…) and I’ll keep on doing it for others too.
What a terrible day to have eyes.
Cuck boy getting pegged by post top op Garfield is definitely not something I had jotted down in my day-at-a-glance.
I would have at least expected him to ask Spez to put some lasagna on his bumhole as lube.
lol i think that might be the worst/best thing I have seen in a long time
Unrelated but is your username a play on benzene?
yes, in a way. this benzene ring
there was a band called Hum and in one of my favorite songs of theirs called The Scientists, the song talks about a couple who are scientists and creating and experimenting with drugs.
she tells him to keep this benzene ring around your finger, and think of me when everything you ever wanted is about to end
i fucking love that song but that moment in the song is just peak layers upon layers of music and poetry and love and adventure.
Core memory unlocked! I remember catching a couple mix demo cds the 01 warped tour and Hum’s stars was on it. I actually green album with the zebra on it shortly after.
there was a band called Hum
Wow, what a memory trip! I listened to that song, I don’t think I have heard it before, but it is great! I’m pretty sure I heard a different song from them at the time, but they probably live in my mind from looking at BMG and CD warehouse catalogs at the time. Other artists have popped up over the years from there.
I’m glad I asked, and thanks for answering! Somehow that took me back to my Candlebox days.
their big hit was called Stars
oh yeah, I listened to Candelbox. They didn’t put on a good live show sadly
Ya that was the one , i listened to it, also. The very beginning sounded very familiar but I’m not sure about the rest. But maybe it’s been 30 years and, well 🤷♂️ I never saw Candlebox live, guess I didn’t miss out. I really liked Alice in Chains but only got to see Cantrell tour while “waiting”
I never got to see AiC either 😩
fuck spez
Art.
Given that the Internet Archive is the de facto standard way to cite material as seen on a given date — they’re a trustworthy party that will probably persist for a long time — that’s going to make it harder to cite content on Reddit.
Damn, guess if you want reddit data to train your AI that you’ll need to pay Spez for access.
Don’t forget, Reddit is legally allowed to train on your content, but not the other way around. It’s consistent with US law, where corporate tax is half of income tax.
It’s important for people writing papers and such who need to cite material.
I wonder if there’s some way to use the TLS certificate to get a cryptographically-signed copy of a webpage with timestamp that someone could later validate as having been downloaded on that date. I don’t know if existing TLS libraries are capable of that. Like, Web browser menu option “Store cryptographically-signed webpage”. Absent a later certificate compromise, I’d think that that’d at least provide people a way to credibly say “this is really what was on that webpage on August 15th, 2026”. Like, you’d have to save a copy of the TLS session and then have libraries that could read and validate an already-generated session. The timestamp is already embedded in the session.
Some protocols, like OTR, are designed to specifically not allow that, but AFAIK, TLS could.
EDIT: Well, technically the timestamp is gonna be during the handshake, not tied to the HTTP request internal to the TLS session. It might be possible to game that by establishing a TLS session, holding it open without activity, and issuing a request much later. I’d think that that’d potentially be disallowed by Web servers one way or another, since otherwise you could probably do a denial-of-service attack by holding open a lot of sessions for a long time.
EDIT2: Oh, wait, no, shouldn’t be an issue, because the HTTP Date response header is gonna have a timestamp tied to the response.
Time to just ignore them and scrape it anyways
OK, I stopped posting on Reddit but left my account and comments in place because I considered them part of the public record. If Reddit is taking that record private, it’s time for me to start removing my content from the platform.
Does anyone know if historical Reddit content will remain in IA? If not, I’m going to have to back up years of content somewhere else.
You can’t remove it. It’s there forever.
Wrong.
You can request deletion of archived pages.And you think reddit actually deletes it? Risk data loss? All that valuable data? No way. They might shadow delete it, but it’s there forever.
I’m assuming IA will continue to host their historical archives of Reddit, they’ll just not have any new captures after this. Unless IA has said otherwise, it’d be very strange to wipe their archive of Reddit
Oh no, someone might not be paying them for their user generated content (!)
To be fair, it’s probably best that history forgets this period of the web…
that history forgets this period
and thus it repeats
As long as the previous collections of archives are still intact. We probably don’t need all of their new spam posts in the wayback machine anyway
LOL I should have scrolled down. You said what I said, with fewer words, first.
It is my understanding that if you block the wayback machine from indexing your site it will also delist the history as well.
They do archive sites against the owners wishes when they consider it an important site for public archiving, like some news sites. They are in no obligation to delete the archives and hope they don’t.
Parties have archived the data from pushshift, which cover a lot of Reddit history.
kagis
https://academictorrents.com/details/1614740ac8c94505e4ecb9d88be8bed7b6afddd4
Subreddit comments/submissions 2005-06 to 2024-12
This is the top 40,000 subreddits from reddit’s history in separate files. You can use your torrent client to only download the subreddit’s you’re interested in.
I mean, that won’t have the past half year or some low-traffic subreddits, but…
The ability to block crawling is separate from the ability to delist old pages. The latter usually happens after domains change owners
