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    The one that they keep spending billions of dollars every year to influence

    Which is why voting cannot overcome capital. I’m not saying voting is pointless, only that voting has been made to be incapable of undoing the power that has accumulated under capital.

    The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house.

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      Which is why voting cannot overcome capital.

      Why not? Have you tried? The internet is the greatest opportunity in American history - you no longer need to be a newspaper tycoon or a TV or radio station owner to reach people. Just the right message and the right personality.

      China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into storming Area 51, eating tide pods, electing a fascist, and they did it all for PENNIES.

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        Why not?

        Because capital will never cede power without a threat of violence (implicit or otherwise).

        China and Russia […] did it all for PENNIES

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            Again, have you tried?

            Every fuckin day, bud. It has quite literally never happened without it.

            Yes, quite sure

            Those are billion-dollar psyop campaigns run by the largest and most well-funded intelligence agencies in the world.

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                Individuals give up their personal wealth every day for a variety of reasons, but the capitalist class writ large has never once been abolished or ceded power to the working class without explicit or implicit threat of violence.

                But even then, a single person using their immense fortune to create a social benefit system is still a threat of violence against capital, and can be used to extract concessions from the capital class. Maybe you’re thinking of violence as physical, but I’m using it to mean any great force capable of compelling action.

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            Yes, quite sure:

            Why? Because of a wikipedia post citing things like the Washington Post? What is your actual evidence? Present your actual evidence of “China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into storming Area 51, eating tide pods, electing a fascist”. Not some other claim, not just “oh Russia does some astroturfing”, that specific claim. How about you start with the tide pods.

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              Why? Because of a wikipedia post citing things like the Washington Post?

              There’s 184 sources in there, discredit all of them.

              that specific claim. How about you start with the tide pods.

              Google “Tiktok challenges”.

              But really, I’m more concerned about the electing a fascist part.

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                There’s 184 sources in there, discredit all of them.

                Fuck off with that Gish Gallop. How about you actually present your sources.

                Google “Tiktok challenges”.

                I googled it, found zero evidence about “China and Russia are tricking people on the internet right now into eating tide pods”

                So you were just lying.

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                    184 sources supporting a single argument is not a “Gish Gallop”, maybe you should google what that is too.

                    They aren’t all supporting a single argument that is not how wikipedia works, dumbass.

                    No, I was being facetious, and you took me too literally.

                    So you were lying.

                    China is tricking children into doing dangerous things via Tiktok.

                    Prove it.

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            Neoliberals re-inventing the Nazi Judeo-Bolshivik conspiracy theory. Makes sense for a Canadian I suppose, given how much you guys love Nazis.

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                That’s not how sources work dumb ass; those are not all just 187 redundant sources that all independently support every claim in the article. This is why you people only ever cite wikipedia; because you can never actually find good sources for your specific claim, so you just try and use the fact that Wikipedia has a list of citations for different claims and pretend its the same thing.

                And even then, that article doesn’t even back up your claim; it says nothing about eating tidepods or anything like that.

                You’re denying that Russia is influencing America at all?

                Fuck off, that was not your claim, spare us the motte-and-bailly bullshit.

                Are you Russian?

                Fuck off, Nazi trash.

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                  dumb ass

                  At least I don’t have to resort to childish insults to support my arguments.

                  This is why you people only ever cite wikipedia

                  https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

                  And even then, that article doesn’t even back up your claim; it says nothing about eating tidepods or anything like that.

                  The fuck are you still on about tide pods? We’re talking about Russia spreading fascism.

                  Fuck off, that was not your claim, spare us the motte-and-bailly bullshit.

                  You keep using these words, these are not what these words mean.

                  Fuck off, Nazi trash.

                  Excuse me, how does me asking if you are Russian make me a Nazi? Right now the Russians are the Nazis.

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                    At least I don’t have to resort to childish insults to support my arguments.

                    No, just outright lying.

                    https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

                    citing the US government. Hilarious. Which bit of this document are you even saying supports your claim in the first place?

                    The fuck are you still on about tide pods?

                    Lol, you were the one who made the claim.

                    You keep using these words, these are not what these words mean.

                    Yes, it is, and now amount of reddit loser recycled movie quotes changes that.

                    Excuse me, how does me asking if you are Russian make me a Nazi? Right now the Russians are the Nazis.

                    Shouldn’t you be off giving a standing ovation to SS veterans right now?

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        Or, hear me out, a majority of this is homegrown because rich people see the appetite for socialism and socialist policies in their populace and they are scared they will lose their royal thrones.

        The answer to socialism was fascism and propaganda last century, the same playbook is being used today.

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          Or, hear me out, the American GOP has been corrupted by Russia since 2012, after Citizens United. That’s when Fox News started saying how Putin is a better leader than Obama. They were broke, and Russia funded them through the NRA.

          If you stop Russia, you can stop a lot of this bullshit.