Compliance depends on the instance. Pick an instance where the admin doesn’t give a dingo’s kidney, or an instance located in a country where the local law doesn’t require age verification.
I’m waiting to see exactly how the UK plans to compel me, someone who lives outside the UK with a Lemmy server hosted outside the UK, to follow their rules.
If they find me non-compliant, they can block my site.
I struggle to understand, why do those sites block uk users? Are there really any “international regulations” that demand that if you don’t want to comply with whatever arbitrary rules some country set, you should stop serving users from that country?
This is interesting, I did a bit of research and it seems, none of this is legally enforceable unless the company has EU presence. Basically EU just saying “we will do everything we can, but we can’t really do anything if you don’t have any operations on our land”.
We are witnessing the next step along the way to a completely fragmented web. Sort of like the DataKrash, but in slow motion. This time, it’s driven by legislation instead of a single netrunner.
Twitter / X started asking for age verification for adult content when browsed from EU. Works fine from Asia but you also need to set your account country to the one you’re browsing from.
Oh trust me, stuff you didn’t even imagine could exist can be found in that wretched hive of depravity and fornication. If you never click any of that, the algorithm won’t know how dirty your mind is. On the other hand, you could also do the exact opposite and click on everything horny. That will turn your whole feed into a wicked orgy. Let’s just say that it’s a surprisingly versatile site.
It’s still the biggest art posting platform. And I’m not even sure where art posters should migrate to… I mean sure it would be nice to have them scattered across different fediverse instances, but it would be nice for us, not for them. The main thing they get from X is massive algorithmic reach. You hit like on a Miku art and another artist with their Miku art immediately slips into your feed, you like it even more and you decide to check their profile and you like their other works and you subscribe. This kind of easy and efficient advertisement is something that doesn’t exist anywhere else outside of few centralized systems.
Pixiv, Fanbox, DeviantArt, Tumblr, etc, are also widely used. Very few people only use a single platform. I think Twitter is top 1 for expanding your audience not only because how well their feed algorithm works, but maybe also because all those focused platforms are used more by artists and less by viewers (or used less often by viewers), while Twitter being general-purpose is the one where more people who like to watch/discover arts but are not artists themselves, are. But there are other factors, like Twitter comments being better than Pixiv or DeviantArt comments, etc. Finally, if we return to the context of this discussion, I don’t think any of those dedicated platforms in any way solve the problem of age verification and that is why I wouldn’t recommend migrating to them in this context even if they were otherwise good for art.
I had an impression it didn’t work great across instance boundaries. Like, algorithmic discoverability was very limited. I might be wrong and it might have changed since I last checked though. Also I had an impression that Mastodon doesn’t really have global cross-instance feed on the same level as Lemmy instances. And again, correct me if I’m wrong here.
There isn’t a global law about age verification they countries could be exempt of. It’s individual countries doing it.
And on top of that the laws are different from what I’ve seen, in the UK for example you have to fullfil certain criteria to fall under that law. But frankly it seems to be a mess in my opinion.
This is what an age verification service says about it:
Compliance depends on the instance. Pick an instance where the admin doesn’t give a dingo’s kidney, or an instance located in a country where the local law doesn’t require age verification.
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I’m waiting to see exactly how the UK plans to compel me, someone who lives outside the UK with a Lemmy server hosted outside the UK, to follow their rules.
If they find me non-compliant, they can block my site.
I struggle to understand, why do those sites block uk users? Are there really any “international regulations” that demand that if you don’t want to comply with whatever arbitrary rules some country set, you should stop serving users from that country?
The UK law says anyone found noncompliant will owe 10% of GLOBAL REVENUE in fines.
So companies don’t even want to deal with that bullshit
Yes, there are - see GDPR as another example.
This is interesting, I did a bit of research and it seems, none of this is legally enforceable unless the company has EU presence. Basically EU just saying “we will do everything we can, but we can’t really do anything if you don’t have any operations on our land”.
We are witnessing the next step along the way to a completely fragmented web. Sort of like the DataKrash, but in slow motion. This time, it’s driven by legislation instead of a single netrunner.
Hmm, do we know which countries will be exempt? I hadn’t thought about that…
Also, how will they enforce who can just ignore the requirement? Will they not take noncompliant websites down by nameservers or something?
I’ve only heard about UK, Australia and certain states in America. If you live in Kazakhstan next to Borat, you should be fine.
As always, EU is complicated, so we’ll have to wait and see how that works out.
Twitter / X started asking for age verification for adult content when browsed from EU. Works fine from Asia but you also need to set your account country to the one you’re browsing from.
So, if you can’t even use Xitter for porn is there anything left? What even is the propose of that site any more?
I don’t understand why anyone would ever use Twitter for porn in the first place lol. Porn sites exist……
I’ve been on Twitter for like 16 years now and porn has never been something I’ve seen or even thought to search for on there. It makes no sense.
Oh trust me, stuff you didn’t even imagine could exist can be found in that wretched hive of depravity and fornication. If you never click any of that, the algorithm won’t know how dirty your mind is. On the other hand, you could also do the exact opposite and click on everything horny. That will turn your whole feed into a wicked orgy. Let’s just say that it’s a surprisingly versatile site.
It’s still the biggest art posting platform. And I’m not even sure where art posters should migrate to… I mean sure it would be nice to have them scattered across different fediverse instances, but it would be nice for us, not for them. The main thing they get from X is massive algorithmic reach. You hit like on a Miku art and another artist with their Miku art immediately slips into your feed, you like it even more and you decide to check their profile and you like their other works and you subscribe. This kind of easy and efficient advertisement is something that doesn’t exist anywhere else outside of few centralized systems.
Why don’t art posters use y’know something dedicated to art or images and not microblogging?
Like DeviantArt or Tumblr, the two once popular with artists sites designed for them.
Pixiv, Fanbox, DeviantArt, Tumblr, etc, are also widely used. Very few people only use a single platform. I think Twitter is top 1 for expanding your audience not only because how well their feed algorithm works, but maybe also because all those focused platforms are used more by artists and less by viewers (or used less often by viewers), while Twitter being general-purpose is the one where more people who like to watch/discover arts but are not artists themselves, are. But there are other factors, like Twitter comments being better than Pixiv or DeviantArt comments, etc. Finally, if we return to the context of this discussion, I don’t think any of those dedicated platforms in any way solve the problem of age verification and that is why I wouldn’t recommend migrating to them in this context even if they were otherwise good for art.
Should Lemmy heavily incorporate hashtags, then? Hmm…
Nah. Mastodon can handle that.
I had an impression it didn’t work great across instance boundaries. Like, algorithmic discoverability was very limited. I might be wrong and it might have changed since I last checked though. Also I had an impression that Mastodon doesn’t really have global cross-instance feed on the same level as Lemmy instances. And again, correct me if I’m wrong here.
PieFed has them.
There isn’t a global law about age verification they countries could be exempt of. It’s individual countries doing it.
And on top of that the laws are different from what I’ve seen, in the UK for example you have to fullfil certain criteria to fall under that law. But frankly it seems to be a mess in my opinion.
This is what an age verification service says about it:
https://www.yoti.com/blog/understanding-age-verification-online-safety-act/