China isn’t a dictatorship. It’s not a perfect utopian wonderland, but it’s certainly much better than the US, both for its people and other countries. China would absolutely be preferable.
Right way to measure governments is oligarchist corruption. All CIA approved democracies fail at this, and so not in the slightest a beneficial model. Trade shouldn’t be viewed as bad. Corruption and subjugation are bad, and trade deals should be looked at only under that framework.
What makes you say China is anywhere near as corrupt as the US, or corrupt enough to not be preferable over the US? Combatting corruption has been a core part of the PRC’s Political Economy over the last couple decades, combined with improving living standards, this has led to more Chinese citizens being more hopeful about where their country is headed.
Oligarchist corruption specifically privatizes profits for social losses. Destroying/diminishing country is a sacrifice they are willing to make. But sure, bribery for foreign imperialist privatization is just as bad.
I’m guessing because oligarchic corruption is what’s most effective at getting the state to work against the majority’s interest. Small time corruption where you have to insert coin here or there to get things moving but you don’t get power over the state can’t do that. It only introduces inefficiency. Oligarchic corruption gets the state to represent the oligarchy’s interests and since those are in contradiction with the interests of the majority, the states stops representing it. That includes taking control of any form of democracy that may exist. In the US the oligarchs have obtained control over the state and the democratic system. It’s why there are never good options to vote for, but turd sandwich or a giant douche. I don’t know enough about China but there are signs that the state is not owned by its oligarchy. E.g. when Jack Ma wanted to make a private bank / payment system that isn’t controlled by the state, he took a vacation for a while and returned a changed man.
In the US the oligarchs have obtained control over the state and the democratic system.
The US was never democratic, and the oligarchs have always been in the driver’s seat. Previously:
The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
The issue is that somebody kinda has to fill the vacuum if we want to have literally any hope at surviving our rapidly oncoming self-created climate disaster. I don’t exactly love the PRC either, but you have to admit that right now, they are the ones best positioned to find and implement a technological solution to our crisis. It’s certainly not going to be the U.S., Europe is going to have it’s hands full trying to deal with Russia, do you think there’s any other power strong enough or better than China even left?
If my options are the Chinese model, or the extinction of the human race, then I’ll choose the PRC.
To add, Europe is generally a shadow of its former dominance, it doesn’t have the ground to stand on its own without capitulating to a greater power. Either they continue to be vassalized by the US, they reach reconciliation with Russia (who currently does have the resources like oil and the industrialization to fulfill Western Europe’s needs), or a pivot to China.
We can see this in how quickly the EU folded to Trump’s tariffs, while also opening dialogue with the PRC. They are picking which of those two to really side with, even though they would prefer to keep it balanced, the US will not allow that.
Socialism certainly has a better capacity to tackle climate change than a dying Capitalist Empire like the US. We can see the PRC’s green initiatives, from dramatic investments in solar and nuclear energy, to combatting desertification, it is by far the biggest player in the fight against climate change. It is better to cooperate with the PRC so that we can all push ourselves to be better, than pretend the US is better than the PRC.
Reduction of consumption at this point will not actually work, we’re already too far down the path of annihilation. We’re either going to need to find a way to manage our planet’s climate ourselves, or we’ll need to find a way to adapt our cities and lives to be able to survive in the coming world. Both of those require technological solutions. So far, we have not found a good one yes, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Yep, the US is losing its global power gradually.
i wish it was faster
Don’t we all…
It’d be nice if china could also like, not take that power so we don’t just end up with the same situation but with a dictatorship at the helm?
China isn’t a dictatorship. It’s not a perfect utopian wonderland, but it’s certainly much better than the US, both for its people and other countries. China would absolutely be preferable.
I love how you can spot a .ml user without checking their instance
We’re on lemmy.ml, lol. Preferring China over the US isn’t a Marxist stance alone, anymore, either.
I mean we are literally on .ml right now.
Ah, my bad. I thought I had all of the communities blocked.
Got to work harder on your echo chamber
the only thing funny here is the fact that you felt the need to write that vapid comment of yours
the moderators of .world remove your comment if you respond to the tankie insult with “liberal” and it makes me wonder why .ml’s moderators don’t
We’re not as fragile around here. :)
Right way to measure governments is oligarchist corruption. All CIA approved democracies fail at this, and so not in the slightest a beneficial model. Trade shouldn’t be viewed as bad. Corruption and subjugation are bad, and trade deals should be looked at only under that framework.
Why not just measure corruption, full stop? Why specify oligarchy corruption?
China still also falls apart under that viewpoint.
What makes you say China is anywhere near as corrupt as the US, or corrupt enough to not be preferable over the US? Combatting corruption has been a core part of the PRC’s Political Economy over the last couple decades, combined with improving living standards, this has led to more Chinese citizens being more hopeful about where their country is headed.
I don’t know China to be corrupt.
Oligarchist corruption specifically privatizes profits for social losses. Destroying/diminishing country is a sacrifice they are willing to make. But sure, bribery for foreign imperialist privatization is just as bad.
I’m guessing because oligarchic corruption is what’s most effective at getting the state to work against the majority’s interest. Small time corruption where you have to insert coin here or there to get things moving but you don’t get power over the state can’t do that. It only introduces inefficiency. Oligarchic corruption gets the state to represent the oligarchy’s interests and since those are in contradiction with the interests of the majority, the states stops representing it. That includes taking control of any form of democracy that may exist. In the US the oligarchs have obtained control over the state and the democratic system. It’s why there are never good options to vote for, but turd sandwich or a giant douche. I don’t know enough about China but there are signs that the state is not owned by its oligarchy. E.g. when Jack Ma wanted to make a private bank / payment system that isn’t controlled by the state, he took a vacation for a while and returned a changed man.
The US was never democratic, and the oligarchs have always been in the driver’s seat. Previously:
The issue is that somebody kinda has to fill the vacuum if we want to have literally any hope at surviving our rapidly oncoming self-created climate disaster. I don’t exactly love the PRC either, but you have to admit that right now, they are the ones best positioned to find and implement a technological solution to our crisis. It’s certainly not going to be the U.S., Europe is going to have it’s hands full trying to deal with Russia, do you think there’s any other power strong enough or better than China even left?
If my options are the Chinese model, or the extinction of the human race, then I’ll choose the PRC.
To add, Europe is generally a shadow of its former dominance, it doesn’t have the ground to stand on its own without capitulating to a greater power. Either they continue to be vassalized by the US, they reach reconciliation with Russia (who currently does have the resources like oil and the industrialization to fulfill Western Europe’s needs), or a pivot to China.
We can see this in how quickly the EU folded to Trump’s tariffs, while also opening dialogue with the PRC. They are picking which of those two to really side with, even though they would prefer to keep it balanced, the US will not allow that.
There is no technological solution. There’s only reduction of consumption.
Prc will not reduce.
Socialism certainly has a better capacity to tackle climate change than a dying Capitalist Empire like the US. We can see the PRC’s green initiatives, from dramatic investments in solar and nuclear energy, to combatting desertification, it is by far the biggest player in the fight against climate change. It is better to cooperate with the PRC so that we can all push ourselves to be better, than pretend the US is better than the PRC.
Reduction of consumption at this point will not actually work, we’re already too far down the path of annihilation. We’re either going to need to find a way to manage our planet’s climate ourselves, or we’ll need to find a way to adapt our cities and lives to be able to survive in the coming world. Both of those require technological solutions. So far, we have not found a good one yes, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
According to actual science and not just your opinion, it still could theoretically work.
Now, now, Rome didn’t fall in a day