I’m pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.
Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.
Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?
This reminds me of how white collar office workers bemoan to physical labourers how “at least you get to be outside, it’s just so soul crushing to be in a cubicle you know” lol
Depends heavily on individual opinion, in certain circumstances it does to me. Intent is very important to consider, if someone does something nice for the wrong reason then morally I believe it is not a valid act of kindness. keep in mind I’m not saying nor did I at any point say that prostitutes suck dick for the wrong reason.
Yeah for 500+ dollars, they don’t do it out of the kindness of there heart or because they think you’re cute. You could get it free by going to a bar and talking to people.
And I won’t change it either, you make yourself look equally dumb for insulting someone because they have a different belief than you, stop being a bigot you may find it enjoyable.
What kind of well taken care of prostitutes are you getting? I’ve only talked to one my entire life and she was offering pussy for $20 as I was yelling at her to get out of my car because I was picking someone up as an Uber.
Edit: Odd how so many retards are down voting me for asking a simple question.
Might not be, but your comment sounds like sealioning. You insulting those who downvoted you—especially with that term—doesn’t help your credibility in claiming it was just a simple question.
Have you ever talked to the old trans sex workers? Some of them enjoyed the work, but plenty were in a position where they could either do sex work or they could not work at all. I knew one lady who uh I don’t think had been ok ever since. If you’ve got the time there’s a podcast called Making Gay History, it’s the host playing old recordings he made for the book of the same name. You can hear Sylvia Rivera talk about their childhood in their own voice. Our liberation didn’t come from sex workers because sex workers are these awesome people, our liberation began with sex workers because that’s the only job a lot of people would let a trans person who wasn’t stealth or exceptional pre transition do back in the day.
From my experience as a circus and burlesque performer in nightlife, most safety practices were created by sex workers. They also set the styles that then evolved into drag and burlesque. Sex work is also historically a part of the circus. I owe a lot of what I do to them.
You just made me miss my days photographing the BDSM and alt scene. Some of the most genuinely caring people I ever met who were truly concerned for everyone’s happiness and safety.
I was always torn between my love for preserving these incredible moments and my desire but unwillingness to participate and it became exhausting. Looking back on it, I’m sad that I decided to step away.
Long story short, I’m eternally grateful to people like you and appreciate your contributions to mental health, safety, community, and the arts.
Message me if you’re ever in south Texas! I love a good reason to get behind a camera, and will often make a deal if given a challenge that’s interesting enough.
Not really kink, but look up the three legged dog sideshow. It’s a Texas based circus troupe but they travel a lot. Fantastic people. Dan Block in particular is one of my friends and mentors
In the latter case it’s a correlation not causation situation. When a group of people is disproportionately pushed into either hiding or sex work, then yeah the major pushes for liberation for that group are gonna come from sex workers.
Idk sex work is a job, no good in trying to make the people doing it into working class heroes. Just because I think their job should be safe and legal and I can find them fun to hang with doesn’t make it anything other than that.
I also believe the job should be safe and legal, but trying to argue that all sex workers are community heros is ignorant as fuck. You think people go into the sex industry because they wanna make your pp feel good and they care about depression? Maybe a few have, but most don’t.
I wasn’t the person you were arguing with. Ime most sex workers are doing it either for desperation or as a side gig that meets their capacity. I almost did it once when I was in a bad spot before deciding I wasn’t desperate enough to do sales, and I have an ex who sold nudes before it was cool. In fact I’m pretty sure I tried to make it clear I don’t think of them as community heroes and was more agreeing with you, just explaining one of the person you were arguing with’s points.
Yeah sorry, all the arguing put me in my arguing hyperfocus so I really just wanted to argue with everyone at that moment, it’s a personality flaw me thinks.
How do sex workers take care of their communities?
Edit: Odd how so many retards are down voting me for asking a simple question.
They provide sex for people that want it.
Which is good for mental and emotional health
Not speaking of the sex worker mental health buddy. It’s good for societies. See Europe.
So you are okay with an underclass of people suffering because you think it might be good for society?
I’m pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.
Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.
Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?
Not sure about their own mental and emotional health though
The same could be said for working in retail.
Somehow I don’t think it’s quite on the same level
No indeed.
Sex workers are at least allowed to decline customers.
This reminds me of how white collar office workers bemoan to physical labourers how “at least you get to be outside, it’s just so soul crushing to be in a cubicle you know” lol
Lets be honest that will change when the stigma is removed.
If it was removed
I mean I do that too
And roughly where are you located?
At my house bro
Whoa! I’m at my house! Are you me???
Don’t most people provide a service in return for a payment
Yes, that’s good for society and the economy.
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Do people need to do things out of their own kindness for it to be valuable?
I am great at my job. I don’t do it for free or out of the kindness of my heart.
Depends heavily on individual opinion, in certain circumstances it does to me. Intent is very important to consider, if someone does something nice for the wrong reason then morally I believe it is not a valid act of kindness. keep in mind I’m not saying nor did I at any point say that prostitutes suck dick for the wrong reason.
Yeah for 500+ dollars, they don’t do it out of the kindness of there heart or because they think you’re cute. You could get it free by going to a bar and talking to people.
you bring too dumb to use the correct there/their/they’re is just perfect. It puts that extra zing to how dumb you make yourself look.
And I won’t change it either, you make yourself look equally dumb for insulting someone because they have a different belief than you, stop being a bigot you may find it enjoyable.
They’re not making fun of you for having a different belief, but for having a stupid belief.
That’s an incredibly ignorant outlook.
So I’ve got this new business idea…
What’s that
What kind of well taken care of prostitutes are you getting? I’ve only talked to one my entire life and she was offering pussy for $20 as I was yelling at her to get out of my car because I was picking someone up as an Uber.
That’s the price in shitmurica.
I could?!?! Why did no one tell me this before now?!?!?!
No clue!!!
Might not be, but your comment sounds like sealioning. You insulting those who downvoted you—especially with that term—doesn’t help your credibility in claiming it was just a simple question.
I call It how I see it.
Then be prepared to wear your downvote count as a badge of honor.
Sex workers laid the foundation for so much of nightlife. They also did a ton for trans rights.
Have you ever talked to the old trans sex workers? Some of them enjoyed the work, but plenty were in a position where they could either do sex work or they could not work at all. I knew one lady who uh I don’t think had been ok ever since. If you’ve got the time there’s a podcast called Making Gay History, it’s the host playing old recordings he made for the book of the same name. You can hear Sylvia Rivera talk about their childhood in their own voice. Our liberation didn’t come from sex workers because sex workers are these awesome people, our liberation began with sex workers because that’s the only job a lot of people would let a trans person who wasn’t stealth or exceptional pre transition do back in the day.
Brothels were also critical foundational businesses in most towns in the developing western US.
In what instances?
From my experience as a circus and burlesque performer in nightlife, most safety practices were created by sex workers. They also set the styles that then evolved into drag and burlesque. Sex work is also historically a part of the circus. I owe a lot of what I do to them.
You just made me miss my days photographing the BDSM and alt scene. Some of the most genuinely caring people I ever met who were truly concerned for everyone’s happiness and safety.
I was always torn between my love for preserving these incredible moments and my desire but unwillingness to participate and it became exhausting. Looking back on it, I’m sad that I decided to step away.
Long story short, I’m eternally grateful to people like you and appreciate your contributions to mental health, safety, community, and the arts.
Feel free to come back. As a leatherwoman we still love good and respectful photographers.
Message me if you’re ever in south Texas! I love a good reason to get behind a camera, and will often make a deal if given a challenge that’s interesting enough.
Not really kink, but look up the three legged dog sideshow. It’s a Texas based circus troupe but they travel a lot. Fantastic people. Dan Block in particular is one of my friends and mentors
Thanks for the offer but with any luck I will never go to Texas. Good luck!
Name definitely checks out haha
I feel so validated right now! Most users who find out or guess my username meaning get upset that it has nothing to do with cartography.
I wasn’t asking for your experiences, I was asking if you could provide any evidence to support the claim that was made.
You don’t seem to like the topic so any example anyone provides will be something you don’t like
I find the topic to be acceptable, what makes you believe I dislike the topic?
In the latter case it’s a correlation not causation situation. When a group of people is disproportionately pushed into either hiding or sex work, then yeah the major pushes for liberation for that group are gonna come from sex workers.
Idk sex work is a job, no good in trying to make the people doing it into working class heroes. Just because I think their job should be safe and legal and I can find them fun to hang with doesn’t make it anything other than that.
I also believe the job should be safe and legal, but trying to argue that all sex workers are community heros is ignorant as fuck. You think people go into the sex industry because they wanna make your pp feel good and they care about depression? Maybe a few have, but most don’t.
I wasn’t the person you were arguing with. Ime most sex workers are doing it either for desperation or as a side gig that meets their capacity. I almost did it once when I was in a bad spot before deciding I wasn’t desperate enough to do sales, and I have an ex who sold nudes before it was cool. In fact I’m pretty sure I tried to make it clear I don’t think of them as community heroes and was more agreeing with you, just explaining one of the person you were arguing with’s points.
Wanna keep arguing?
I do still kinda wanna argue tho…
Yeah sorry, all the arguing put me in my arguing hyperfocus so I really just wanted to argue with everyone at that moment, it’s a personality flaw me thinks.