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    Israel want the whole land since it’s creation so stop blaming everything on Hamas . Hamas reply to occupation brutality that’s all and occupier force always committed more crimes against any act of resistance . The plo respected the term, Israel didn’t because they do not want peace. If you accept Israel excuses you are not better than any Zionist

    After the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - Ben Gurion

    Partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

    There will be no Palestinian state—this land is ours - Netenyahu on September 11, 2025

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      You seem to struggle with the concept that Israel (and Palestine) consists of more than one person or faction and that there are factions that want peace and factions that want war. Hamas made sure the Israeli faction that wanted peace lost power in '96

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        You seem to not understand that treaties and deals do not become null when a prime minister or president change . The accords was between Israel as a state and the PLO. Netanyahu represent the state of Israel, Hamas is not a member of the PLO. So Israel can’t claim Hamas actions make the accords null and no matter who is wrong illegal settlements are never justified. Genocide is never justified either

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          Yeah I’m sure Netanyahu is really impressed with you being upset that he did exactly what he promised to do if he got elected… And apparently not caring about Hamas enabling him to do so at the same time

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            Netanyahu love that you shift the blame to Palestinians and use his excuses as valid reasons for the state of Israel continue occupation, continue stealing wesbtbankers land and allow the settler terrorists to attack Palestinian civilians

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              Well I’m not saying, as you seem to hinge your argument on, that Netanyahu is blameless

              I mean, he ran his election campaign on it! lol

              I’m saying Hamas should not be excused for helping him win it.

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                Here we go again you keep talking about Netanyahu which we all know he is a terrible war criminal. Yet you can’t admit that Israel always wanted the whole land . I showed you that Shimon Perez who was his opponent was as bad as Netanyahu. I showed you Israeli leaders all over the decades defending occupation. I will repeat them again

                after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine - The terrorist and first prime minister of Israel Ben Gurion

                partition might be only a temporary arrangement for the next twenty to twenty-five years - Chaim Weizmann

                The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.” -  Menachem Begin

                https://www.972mag.com/yitzhak-rabin-oslo-accords-aoc/

                https://www.palquest.org/en/historictext/24965/yitzhaq-rabin’s-address-knesset-after-israeli-palestinian-agreement

                We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state, and which will independently run the lives of the Palestinians under its authority. The borders of the State of Israel, during the permanent solution, will be beyond the lines which existed before the Six Day War. We will not return to the 4 June 1967 lines. Yitzhak Rabin

                There is Israeli leaders that are less honest than others that’s all. All of them do not want a Palestinian state

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            There we go with people who think Netanyahu is the only problem and not the Zionist ideology that radicalized Israelis and is the reason why Israel is maintaining occupation . Netanyahu winning has nothing to do with Hamas.

            Answer this simple question. Do you think Israel want to end occupation if Hamas is destroyed?

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              Netanyahu winning has nothing to do with Hamas. Answer this simple question. Do you think Israel want to end occupation if Hamas is destroyed?

              You really need to read up on the political situation in Israel in the mid-'90s

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                  Why do you think Rabin and Peres agreed to the Oslo Accords?

                  If you believe an Israeli can never be trusted to uphold a peace agreement, how do you suggest this ever gets resolved?

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                    Why do you think Rabin and Peres agreed to the Oslo Accords?

                    They are hypocrites and their war crimes proves it

                    If you believe an Israeli can never be trusted to uphold a peace agreement, how do you suggest this ever gets resolved?

                    Israel should become an isolated state heavily sanctioned, nobody should give a single dime or arm to Israel so Israel is forced to discuss in good faith. Then Israel should dismantle all his settlements over the time if the two state solution is agreed about or implement a one state solution with equal rights. Whatever there is a one state or a two state and army is necessary to fight anybody who refuse peace whatever it is Israelis or Palestinians

                    I know you will say that it’s is not realistic but right now there is not a single short term realistic easy solution because Israel refuse peace, the West and even Arab countries are allowing Israel to do whatever they want, Palestinians will keep resisting sometimes according the international laws and someone just unjustifiable retaliation so we end up in the same status quo that only serve Israel