Thr USA killed way way way more than 10 million native americans. We will never know the true scale of the genecide because the majority of it was done through disease. Early settlers would deliberately trade goods contaminated with several european diseases that the natives had little or no resistance to, including small pox and several others I can’t remember off the top of my head. Explorers moving west described “virgin” country untouched by man, beautiful and bountiful, but they were wrong. What they saw was an environment shaped over thousands of years by humans for humans that once supported hundreds of millions of native americans, who were mostly dead by the time european explorers got there. The genecide everyone knows about was really just the end, picking off the stragglers. That was bad enough that it’s whitewashed in public schooling, but they don’t even teach the history of the biological warfare that did the vast majority of the work. In many ways the americas still bear the gaping wounds of european contact today. This place is built on a foundation genocide.
I think you mean we’re just really good at manifesting our destiny in His name.
Truly, no one would ever fathom Europeans committing genocide.
I can it was called colonialism…
America definitely wouldn’t be doing it this brazenly without AIPAC. In all their previous genocides they fought for a major objective and managed to keep their propaganda alive.
Now it’s all falling apart for a miniscule landgrab for a settler colony while not lending the weapons to Israel but giving it all for free.
See Ukraine as an example for what realpolitik looks like. Gaza is not it.
They support and punish specific politions and groups but AIPAC isn’t the driver, Zionism is an essential part of the US policy in the MENA region. Israel is essentially a colony of the US and it’s allies. They would be happy to do it less openly like they had been for decades, keeping Palestine subjected but not aggravating onlookers too much, but the right wing in Israel are blood-thirsty genociders.
There’s also the difference of access to information. The genocide in Gaza is one of the most televised genocides ever. Because people are able to see the truth of what’s happening and not just the propaganda that’s pushed, it means that it’s much harder for the Israeli and USA governments to control the narrative (like hiding the fact that the right wing in Israel is a bunch of blood-thirsty genociders)
Guy with a bloody knife standing at the end of a long line of muslims lying on the ground with stabwounds in their stomach, pointing to a normal guy who was shitty to his neighbours 60 years ago: “That guy over there is stabbing a Muslim to death! I saw it! I don’t have any pictures or any proof, but I saw it! Don’t believe me? Ask my employee NaziGuy McCommieHater!”
Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.
- Joe Biden, 1986
- Biggest AIPAC recipient who earned the nickname Genocide Joe and took all his orders directly from Tel Aviv like a spineless sack of sand.
In hindsight it’s very obvious why Biden said that but people refuse to see the obvious truth.
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Bigger than Trump?
Biden authorized humanitarian aid to Gaza despite Israel’s wishes, but let’s ignore everything that disagrees with your propaganda while we elect Trump, who is in no way better for Palestinians.
Was it direct aid or aid Isreal needed to allow in? Because it is amazing how no aid seemed to get in under Biden while he loved to cover for war crimes
Genocide apologia
it’s amazing and deeply upsetting that shitty little pier that floated away in the first rainstorm is still effective propaganda for people like you
Hitler could have convinced you he was the second coming of christ if you were born there and then
I say US needs to embrace French tradition and take up guillotines…
the french guillotine was used to kill more Africans and colonized people than any bourgeois or aristocrat
It’s not the tool’s fault
It was some Tool’s fault though.
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Sir this is internet. No one knows what they are saying
The underlying sentiment is right. Income inequality is higher than ever. Saying that we need to bring back guillotines is a simplified way of saying we need to solve the problem of concentration of wealth by plutocrats.
Yeah right, it’s an open call for widespread violence.
There is currently widespread violence. It is the structural violence of poverty. Hundreds are being socially murdered everyday.
Killing an oligarch is a certainly a violent act, but it reduces the overall violence in the system.
Yeah, that’s totally the same as actual widespread violence. Pampered idiots have no idea what it’d be like to have to live somewhere like the way Ukraine has been.
Killing an oligarch does absolutely nothing. Sure, that’ll “reduce poverty”. Of course it’s that simple in your lazy, immature worldview.
Spare me your “I’m 14 and this is deep” bullshit.
When Luigi killed that UHC oligarch, the company responded by lowering their claims denial rate by 1-2%. UHC processes hundreds of millions of claims every year.
Do the math- the slaying of Brian Thompson meant that millions of claims that would have otherwise been denied were approved.
By killing one oligarch, hundreds of lives were saved. Perhaps even thousands.
We know this because Investors Are Pressing UnitedHealth Group to Deny More Care
*Clutches pearls*
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Yet, they still manage to have concern for Uyghurs, who they didn’t know existed until imperial core propaganda started manufacturing bullshit about them.
As someone said, the empire hates chinese people and muslims, but for some reason they seem to love muslim chinese
How about condemning that as well instead of defending it, because US did other heinous things?
I only condemn things that actually happened
Why don’t you apologize for beating your wife?
I do condemn it. I condemn the US for giving aid to militant jihadist terrorgroups in the Xinjiang province with the purpose of destabilising the region.
I condemn Adrian Zenz and all his ilk for his “divine anti-communist mission” and for pretending to be an expert on a country youve visited once and the language of which you dont speak.
I condemn all the redditors for their sophomoric approach to life where they pretend to be experts on a subject they’ve never investigated beyond the state department propaganda shoved in their face every day.
I condemn China for not being perfect in it’s administration of the anti-radicalisation programmes I guess.Have you actually read the “report” about the “Uyghur genocide”? Have you read the “Xinjiang police files”? Or are you just so insulated in the western echo chamber you don’t even know of them?
Sorry, I trust the OIC and it is highly suspicious that the only concerned countries are both islamophobic and sinophobic with only a few exceptions.
You’re not supposed to trust OIC because they’re biased in favor of China. You’re supposed to trust the NATO bloc countries, they have no bias.
You also going to start demanding we condemn the “white genocide” in South Africa?
I think it’s not great that there’s been some cases of abuse in China’s vocational facilities in Xinjiang, but that’s all that the evidence from Western NGOs actually substantiates. Not genocide, ethnic cleansing, organ harvesting, or whatever it is that you want critics of imperialism to condemn.
Let me ask you this: what would it actually mean materially for every communist in Europe and North America to condemn China? Do they have to send letters to their representatives asking them to put tariffs on China and exert diplomatic pressure on Beijing? Do they have to protest at their nearest Chinese embassy? Leftists in the West already live in countries that have anti-China foreign policies. We couldn’t make them more anti-China if we tried. So what’s your goal?
Why would I condemn something that didn’t happen? Previously:
You can’t bring us evidence because there isn’t any.
The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.
The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same map” imperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.
Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330#HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.
- The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
- A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
- The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
- Uyghur genocide allegations
- American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
- US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
- The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
Says who? China?
Why don’t you actually spend some time reading the sources that he sent you? It’s actually really interesting and I urge you to read it.
I would particularly recommend this video where an American debunks the majority of the lies manufactured by the west, he uses primary sources or sources that link to primary sources in all situations that he can and you can read through his sources if you wish.
Just a bunch of Twitter, substacks etc. as much reputable as comments here.
It’s the UN Human Rights Council’s Twitter account, you twit.
If you’re expecting corporate media links, you’re out of luck, because just as corporate media are loathe to call what’s happening in Palestine a genocide, they’re loath to call what happened in Xinjiang anything but.
Please develop some actual media literacy.
Can you please link to the sources that you have decided are not reputable, I am interested in discussing them further. And if you are so certain there is a genocide in Xinjiang china can you provide proof that there is indeed genocide?
So, at least as reputable as anything you say then.
Says the OIC.
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
not even all muslims in china, just this one specific group of muslims in china. people are often surprised when i tell them china has other muslim ethnic groups…
Better not tell China or they’ll melt them all into tofu dreg. /s
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.deleted by creator
They clearly answered that in their post, you lazy chud
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
Wow you sure went from 0 to scary racism really fast.
Says everyone but the imperial core, which represents ~12% of the world:
The media that have lied about Palestine are the very same media who lied about Xinjiang.
📺 You’re Not immune To propagandaaka places aliens are allowed to attack in Hollywood films
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Czech Republic and Poland is on the map. Also if you’re gonna be talking about what is and isn’t “in the core” you gotta actually read the literature
I used links provided.
Poland is literally on that map you illiterate fucking chud
Well his map doesn’t match the map in the article he posted. I can also push bunch of random shit that doesn’t agree with each other and then argue the person ignored “evidence”.
You know damn well he is full of shit. You are criticizing one imperialistic country while defending other even more genocidal ones.
Every country on earth is a dictatorship: either a dictatorship of the rich or a dictatorship of the proletariat
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I dunno, I don’t live in Russia, why should I align with them?
Mind you, Turkey “recognize” it because of the government’s Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist views, not because they actually care to investigate it. Also every Uighur “defector” any political party -which is almost always the reactionary or conservative ones- brings to speak is actually either a fundamentalist terrorist, or never went to Xinjiang in their lifetime.
Source: I am Turkish.
Damn, I’d never even heard of Turanism, though I am a little familiar with the debunked 19th century linguistics.
Turanism, also known as Turanianism, pan-Turanism or pan-Turanianism, is a pan-nationalist political movement built around pseudoscientific claims of biological and linguistic connections between various ethnic groups of Eurasia. It revolves around the abandoned proposal of a Ural-Altaic language family, which hypothesizes that the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, and Uralic peoples share Inner and Central Asian origins and therefore close cultural, ethnic, and linguistic bonds. Supporters of Turanism propose political unity among these groups, chiefly to oppose the cultural and political influences of the Indo-Europeans of Europe, West Asia, and South Asia, as well as the Sino-Tibetans of East Asia. The movement emerged in the 19th century to counter pan-nationalist ideologies such as pan-Germanism, and built upon the ideas of pan-Slavism (e.g. the idea of a “Turanian brotherhood and collaboration” was borrowed from the pan-Slavic concept of “Slavic brotherhood and collaboration”).
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Why are you changing goal posts? Looks like it is more countries than “the core”.
Ukraine also showed how China pressured everyone to not vote yes.
Correct, the dividing line is between Democracy and Autocracy,
between the Garden and the Jungle,
between the imperialists and the anti-imperialists.You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic? One actively is trying to exterminated a country and another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
Turkes does not recognize it afaik
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USA is an interesting empire. Will be studied for millenia. Thinking 100 or 150 more years left. Could be shorter we’ll see. Probably just turn into an ex super power, with little South American skirmishes everywhere…wait
Here’s a cool book about it related to the meme (and it’s got an appropriate title).
Now then, now then, don’t be trying to get ahead of us British colonizers! Our history is pretty murky. Something that is conveniently ignored, but gets you in hot water when you challenge our current fascists like Farage, Tommy Robinson and even mainstream leaders.
I guess all war is genocide? What a stupid take. If thats the case you dont really care about war or Genocide, actually I know you dont because your username is ALHouthi4President.
There are some dam stupid people on this site and they almost always come from @lemmy.ml
You seem to imply that wars are okay, as long as they aren’t genocide? Is that what you’re using to defend?
So then just kill/bomb indiscriminately, and you’re golden,right? What kind of rhetoric are you trying to bring that makes you think either is acceptable?
ML is no place for discussing Chinese or Russian policies, but they’re good at exposing stupid wankies deflections like yours.
Remember how hard you fuckwits tried to hide the Gaza genocide like you did in Afghanistan and Iraq?
We’re fed up with your moral posturing.
Stop killing people indiscriminately, okay?
The only events called “genocide” in this post are native Americans and gazans. The rest are similarly abhorrent massacres which aren’t categorized as genocides but serve to show the complete lack of morals on the US establishment.
Maybe learn to read a post before complaining about the poster.
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