France is working with partners on a plan over how to respond should the United States act on its threat to take over Greenland, Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said on Wednesday.
France is working with partners on a plan over how to respond should the United States act on its threat to take over Greenland, Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said on Wednesday.
What’s going to happen to all the US military bases on Europe?
If the US take out Greenland, and Europe do a military response, the US have easily reach to all major capitals with personal and infrastructure already there.
This is playing into Russian hands, but while those bases are there, they are already occupied by the US.
Context.
Love it how one is literally called Moron
The number of bases shows that the US have continued to treat Russia as the enemy. If Trump were Putin’s puppet the military would have staged a coup.
Man, I’ve read all of your comments. You sound like a young US veteran who lapped up the cool aid.
Military prowess is one thing. The yanks key role is to be a deterrent force. The forward bases and carrier groups, are all part of a logistics network to allow for rapid response in case of (mostly article 5).
It is not a standard base or pre deployment for an attack. It would be the most foolish thing they can do, and if they did it, they would seriously damage reputation, strategic positioning, not to mention lose key assets, key allies and troop morale.
To give you some counter koolaid: the yanks haven’t won a war since Japan and they needed a nuke for that. All other victories were allied with wait for it… European nations.
All the yanks and especially under Drunk Pete are good at, is hi tech hit and runs like Iran and Venezuela.
A US attack on EU would basically instantly make a USE, military and everything, and they would (give them some time) bomb DC and make sure that sick pedophile shoots himself in the bunker.
A country can’t conquer a state. That’s the number one argument against Russia, that they are going to conquer Ukraine.
Regime changes are ok, or splitting countries. The US has reached their goals.
It’s only Europe that ignores American war crimes. The rest of the world woudn’t mind western infighting.
If they conquer Europe they would own the assets.
Troop morale of European troops would be the only real disadvantage. Now they are willing to fight Russia to defend their freedom. That won’t happen if they are conquered.
I don’t follow the reasoning here…
The US military must see Russia as an enemy. If Putin controls Trump, how could they accept Trump as the supreme commander? They must have heard the rumors, researched the relationship with the help of CIA and other agencies. They were recently all in a room with Trump on a military base. They had the opportunity to arrest him and nobody could have prevented it. They haven’t which suggest to me that the Putin connection is a distraction.
All those bases were built in the decades after the 2nd world war, not by Donnie.
My primary argument is that the military still treats Russia as a main enemy. Donnie’s influence on those bases doesn’t matter.
They haven’t closed the bases. If Russia starts an invasion they will defend. If Russia takes over their leadership they will defend.
They will defend their bases for sure. Putin won’t even attack those.
But if there was an article 5 invoked today by say Poland, I highly doubt the USA would honour it.
Why? The US has fought to expand Nato to that point. Why give it up? Why support Ukraine if it doesn’t matter? All the loans will be gone if Russia wins.
Poland is among the countries that should split from the EU according to Trump. That makes only sense with strong US support.
The fear of abandonment is only there to justify the massive military spending. Nobody asks why we really need it.
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The problem is that, it’s bringing war in our own soil from day-1. Sure it’s easy to launch a few missile at an US base a few minutes before having infantry taking them over, but during that time your fighting on your own soil.
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Are these really pure US bases though? My understanding is they are mainly NATO bases where the US is present as well.
The footnote even says it: “at which DOD exercises some degree of operational control”
Ramstein (and its surroundings) is de facto US territory that hosts F35 and most likely a bunch of nuclear warheads (officially there shouldn’t be any, but no one can really rely on that obviously).
I have no clue about military stuff, so I don’t know how easily planes can be intercepted etc. but I doubt Europe’s capabilities are centred around jets flying from within Germany. How quickly can an F35 reach Paris?
*DOW
What are you basing this on? Personal experience tells me this is not the case with European US Navy bases.
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You said those bases and equipment would be taken over by local militaries. Other than vibes, what are you basing that on? I’m 100% certain those troops won’t see your only option. They will fight until they die or US air and naval forces arrive. I have no idea who would win. Wondering how you know.
Source: was stationed in Europe.
Search top 5 largest air forces in the world. A quick search gives the following numbers for active military aircraft:
The United States (14,423) Russia (4,036) China (3,284) India (1,850) Egypt (1,122) Turkey (1,055) South Korea (890) Pakistan (818) Japan (779) France (697)
Any US (not a joint or UN) base will be able to hold out long enough for those aircraft to get in the fight. When that happens the number of troops on the ground won’t matter.
If EU countries attack (justified or otherwise US bases) why do you assume the goal will be taking over a capital?
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What is any of this based on? You believe that if the US went into any European country with military force they would not move support forces into the area beforehand? This is exactly what happened in Venezuela.
Look, I hope this doesn’t happen. I am not a fan of my country.
My question was what are your conclusions based on. So far that seems like nothing.
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So this started with me asking what you based your comment on. Please share the knowledge you are basing this on by linking to a source.
My comments are all said begrudgingly. I served in the military. I am anti what America is currently doing. My comments are based on numbers of weapons systems and years of strategy where the US purposely let the EU underspend on defense.
Given that you want to reduce this to personal attacks, I will exit now, and let trolls troll.
Not the guy you’re responding to, but if you were stationed there you would have known how often supply flights come in and out of say Rammstein AB. It’s a small city, it can’t survive without the USAF mad logistics.
I don’t know if those bases would be attacked, they would be forced to surrender and GTFO their host country, with a bunch of the heavy hardware probably confiscated.
The moment the US attacks any EU nation in this trojan horse style, they would instantly have EU close its airspace, and declare war on US.
Not saying the yanks won’t be able to make a bit of a dent, and there would be chaos, but the USA would be giving up significant EU continental control for an attack that is doomed before it starts, and it would now have EU and China potentially as a coalition against it.
Not to mention Japan, UAE, Saudi Arabia and a bunch of other places us USAF forward bases might be putting them on notice.
Yes they have overwhelming airforce and navy, but not if you think about the key principle of war: good logistics. And not if you think about the phase after such failed attack.
Navy not air force here, are those result flights bringing in commissary items or weapon systems?
I’m not saying the US has an easy time or saves all bases. But thinking that the US would fight to occupy if its bases were attacked is a bold assumption.
The EU can close its airspace. The trick is enforcing that.
How? If the US attack they will take out any airfield first.
AA
SAMs
Threaten to release the remaining Epstein Files themselves.
Easy. All fielded and covered and not waiting on known bases to be shot with a rocket from a local American base close-by.
What should the Epstein files do? How much worse can it get? Throwing the baby into the lake was not a problem.
I don’t believe that the war would break out because all those weapons are needed against China and Russia. It’s just that unlike Russia, the US could take out Europe from within.
It very much depends on the base.
For instance, Ramstein AFB is a whole different story from the nearby Germersheim DLA distribution center. The former is a formidable threat to central and western Europe. The latter could be taken over by a particularly enthusiastic riot police unit (but probably won’t because there’s nothing of interest there).
There’s a bunch of bases that would pose a real threat and would be prime targets for immediate missile strikes. There’s a bunch that can be dealt with by having traffic cops close off the entrance. There’s a bunch in between. It’s very much a mixed bag.
I find your userhandle also particularly enthusiastic. And you’re right. And wrong move by the yanks (and you can bet your ass EU armies are talking about this) and Rammstein would be one of the first bases to be attacked.
It pretty much depends on timing.
If the USA decided to launch surprise strikes from their more important bases, they could inflict serious damage that the EU couldn’t how to inflict on the USA. Even a swift counterstrike wouldn’t bring back the crippled infrastructure.
On the other hand, if the USA keep alienating the EU, they might get asked to leave before they could even properly prepare for such strikes. That’d be a major strategic blunder but the current administration isn’t exactly known for its masterful planning.
Either way, I just hope that Trump leaves office in one way or another before we get a real test of whether the doctrine of mutually assured destruction stands up to a senile psychopath with a cult following.
Well, Trump will be gone but another maniac will sit in the oval office after him. This will not be over after Trump!
Yeah, but cults of personality tend not to inherit very well. There’s a chance that MAGA will fracture after he’s gone, which would at least render them less effective. Right now a solid third of the country would happily hand the country over to Russia if he asked them.
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Maybe they would fight with Europe? ^^
Well, what happened to the US bases in Afghanistan / Iraq?