I’ve got two domain names set up for work and personal email, but I’m absolutely drowning in unread emails, around 4,000. Most are those annoying notifications like “Your security code is xxx,” “Your parcel has shipped,” and requests to rate my experience.
Right now, I’ve been trying out Inbox Zero with an old Gmail account. It’s cool, but honestly feels a bit overkill and only works with Gmail and Outlook. I switched to my own domains to get away from Google in the first place!
So, I’m on the hunt for an email provider that has solid SPAM filters and can create a priority inbox without all the pesky notification clutter. Bonus points if it supports custom domains.
Any suggestions?
Unlike those “we will delete your data for you.” Services. Proton operates under a Zero Knowledge Encryption, I.E. no one even themselves can read your emails.
Is it perfect? No obviously, if you use a recovery email that is not properly secured (say a Gmail account.) then congratulations your now vulnerable via the State asking Google.
But the privacy focus IS genuine
It’s just ad-bait. Proton will hand your ass over to whatever authorities.
That’s the thing though, you don’t need to trust them, you trust public key cryptography. And unless the NSA has secretly solved that, Proton cannot hand anything to anyone, because they can’t access anything but encrypted data.
If the NSA solved that, they don’t need Proton’s cooperation, they can just intercept the encrypted traffic directly.
You don’t need to trust Proton inherently, all their apps are open source and you can verify the encryption yourself. They hold your encrypted data and you hold the keys.
The only thing they could be lying about is keeping VPN logs, but there’s no credible reason to believe they are. They do annual third-party audits of their infrastructure to confirm no logs, but if you’re depending strictly on VPN to hide data you think the government is interested in, you’re doing it wrong.
They cannot hand over your emails, because they don’t have the keys. But email is an inherently insecure communication method, and any email you send to a non proton recipient is visible to that recipient’s provider.
They can see the subject line and the recipient’s address, because they need to know where to transfer the email and send notifications with the subject line, but they are transparent about that.
Are you basing this on anything? I agree with another poster that proton being the go to alternative is somewhat suspect in my paranoid brain but some of these remark here seem pretty outlandish.
Proton has been involved in some situations but it’s like the scenario I provided.
Accounts having an unencrypted line of entry “we can’t get the information off the Proton Server but the account is connected to a Google server so let’s go to Google instead.”
Or Proton not particularly putting up a hard fight against a government request. (Mind you no information is being handed over just an account being turned off with no means to recover)
Sure I saw yours and accept that, but “hand your ass over” doesn’t equate to “complies minimally with legal request they have to in order to remain functioning as a business” in my book.
https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/proton-mail-discloses-user-data-leading-to-arrest-in-spain/18191
Before that: https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/
There are many, many more cases we don’t hear about in media.
If you consistently connect to Proton via I2P or tor and don’t link a phone number or tracable recovery mail, you’re covering up at least some of the juicy metadata.
Thanks for the links, the recovery email aspect was covered in the initial comment old mate was replying to. I was more interested in if the hand your ass over remark had anything to do with the “they cant read your emails”/encryption part. The second link is very interesting though:
Auhorities in other European countries are known to MitM SSL certs at VPS providers for years already. Switzerland is moving their legislation towards the EU direction. Proton themselves have been vocal about their concerns about this.
How long until someone realizes they can demand Proton to inject some extra JS into the webmail for desired targets? Folks in a sensitive situation should follow the established best-practice of not relying on remotely served JS for client-side encryption. To be safe against this vecor, handle your encryption and signing outside of the webmail; either in your own client or copy/pasting.
Fuck that is depressing. I had hoped I’d be able to pay for a service and not worry about this shit to avoid the hassle of self hosting. Very informative thank you.
Google it.
Burden of proof is on you.
No it isn’t.
Actually it is. You are the one saying not to trust the service.
Ok, please present us the material that causes you to mistrust.
Just drop it (both of you)…at this point you’re just a sea lion and a troll exchanging messages.
I mean I only responded to the specific account once in the chain 🤷🏻
As long and they do it under this chain of messages, they don’t sealion/troll anywhere else.
Also, sealioning is “just asking questions” (JAQ’ing off). Consistently interrogating a position or POV for example, with requests for evidence. Not asking someone to provide some sort of evidence for a single claim they made in reply to another user and refusal to find said evidence for them.
Emphasis mine. From wiki. I appreciate the attempt to deescalate though and accept it’s probably time to pack it in with that particular user.
How about you google burden of proof? Like the other user said burden of proof is on the party making the claim. It’s not on other people to prove the claim wrong by doing research for you.
Tell that to science.