Both are bad and should be villified internationally and face repurcussions for their actions.
Anyone: “USA and EU is way worse than RF and PRC!”
Libs:
Looking to fill out my liberal bingo card I came to this thread looking for “two things can be true at once”.
Edit: by announcing I am observing a thread I have changed its behaviour. Redditors see my comment and rephrase into other clichés.
Wow only 3 minutes after your comment!
Sadly I’m looking for the specific phrase. It’s a cliché so it comes up often enough
Is there a same reason why a man at an airport would be wearing all these hats?
They don’t fit in his luggage (or would be smashed) so that’s the easiest way to take them onboard. Maybe purchased as gifts to relatives.
So both should be villified for invading other countries, right?
How dare you stand against USSR
Just because Trump also breaks international law, doesn’t make it better when Putin does it (and not the first time either). Yes, Russia Man Bad! 👍🏻 Orange Man Also Bad!
Trump has been president since 1846?
Russia has been doing imperialism and colonialism since forever. Otherwise there wouldn’t be such significant Russian populations that are still monolingually Russian in former Soviet states.
The United States didn’t start invading and meddling in other countries until trump?
I dunno, Russian man seems pretty sensible all things considered.
If the warzaw pact was still a thing and it had slowly been inducting south- and central American nations, despite agreements not to do so, and it was now about to induct Mexico (which had had its government couped and replaced with a pro-russian government some years before), then I think it would be pretty sensible of the US to draw a red line at mexican Warzaw pact membership and invade in order to avoid it.
Also in this analogy Texas is part of Mexico and the Mexican government has been bombing Texas for eight years, in breach of two treaties with the US.So mexico = ukraine? Then texas = ?
It’s not a perfect metaphor, but Texas would be the the two Ukrainian states with a majority ethnic russian population that sought independence after eurromaidan
Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn’t constantly attacking other countries before Trump.
Joe Biden supported and enabled the genocide in Gaza, and every president before him committed invasions and war crimes. The fact that you think it’s just a Trump thing and not a US empire thing reveals your geopolitical understanding to be puddle-deep. Hell, Putin was our guy. We put him there.
Liberals still deny that Biden is responsible for the genocide in Gaza
You think the fact that Russia is put under sanctions, barred from participating in international sports and other activities, has their gas lines to the rest of Europe bombed by the US, and is generally treated like they’re Nazi Germany is sensible? In a world where the countries making those decisions turn away when Israel and the US do much worse?
Well lets see the why shall we.
Russia: Engaged in a military operation because of ever encroaching US imperialism via NATO and installing a Nazi puppet government against the wishes of the Ukrainian people as is the norm and attempting to liberate them
US/Orange man; oil and stopped those EvIl CoMmiEs
Oh shit, I forgot I’m posting to a Russian propaganda board 🙄 my bad, forget it happened. And please don’t report me to GRU.
Cope
If Putin said the sky was blue, would you suddenly insist it wasn’t?
Also: “everyone I disagree with is a russian propagandist. I am the only sapient creature in the world” - You, when you’re particularly honest with yourself
Let’s send both Trump and Putin to the ICC in The Hague. How about that?
What does that accomplish?
Biden, Obama and Bush Jr too
Trump and Putin sure, but also everyone whose ever had a leadership role in the USA military. Obama is still alive. Bush is still alive. And ideally to a more trustworthy court.
Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn’t constantly attacking other countries before Trump.
Fine, let’s send every single US president.
I agree, but only one of those 2 countries has proclaimed (in law if im not mistaken, but i may be wrong) that they would intervene militarily to prevent one of their own from being tried by the ICC, regardless of the actual crimes they’ve committed. And im talking about sending special forces to extract said alleged criminal against humanity, from another sovereign nation, abiding by its own laws.
Guess which of the 2 I’m talking about? Russia is by no means the good guy, but its not a binary issue, as most people on the internet seem to react when these 2 countries are mentioned in the same sentence. Russia being ‘bad’ doesn’t automatically make the US ‘good’ and vice versa.
Sure, who’s worse shifts back and forth over the years, but to my eyes, currently, the US is worse, and its been that way for a long time. Way before trump. Anyone who thinks this all started when trump took office, is a bit deluded.
But you’re 100% right, send both of them to the ICC, in an ideal world.
I’d be on board.
