Both are bad and should be villified internationally and face repurcussions for their actions.
Anyone: “USA and EU is way worse than RF and PRC!”
Libs:
Looking to fill out my liberal bingo card I came to this thread looking for “two things can be true at once”.
Edit: by announcing I am observing a thread I have changed its behaviour. Redditors see my comment and rephrase into other clichés.
…you understand that two things CAN be true at once, though. Right?
The one true statement is violating sovereignty is a bad thing. That’s the one bad thing.
You do understand how saying “two things can be true at once” as if you’re talking to an actual toddler is incredibly condescending and not a good place from whence to start a conversation, right? Have the basic respect for someone you’re talking and assume they also have object permanence.
Stepping into the room like you’re the enlightened Buddha whose shit don’t stink, because you just figured out that both Biden and Trump can be senile at the same time, only has the effect to make everyone else look at you like the idiot you are for- Not figuring it out earlier and
- Behaving as if you’re presenting some novel insight.
Alternatively if you’re trying to dunk on someone have the basic respect for the audience and be either effective or original, which “two things can be true at once” is, ironically, neither.
You do understand how saying “two things can be true at once” as if you’re talking to an actual toddler is incredibly condescending and not a good place from whence to start a conversation, right? Have the basic respect for someone you’re talking and assume they also have object permanence.
If OP was looking for adult conversation, this title might’ve not been the greatest place to start lol:
Libs: “RuSsIa MaN BaD!!”
Wow only 3 minutes after your comment!
Hey that’s me! Sadly not many replies though
Sadly I’m looking for the specific phrase. It’s a cliché so it comes up often enough
So both should be villified for invading other countries, right?
How dare you stand against USSR
USSR has been dead and buried for a while now. This was about the US and Russia
Is there a same reason why a man at an airport would be wearing all these hats?
They don’t fit in his luggage (or would be smashed) so that’s the easiest way to take them onboard. Maybe purchased as gifts to relatives.
Just because Trump also breaks international law, doesn’t make it better when Putin does it (and not the first time either). Yes, Russia Man Bad! 👍🏻 Orange Man Also Bad!
The United States didn’t start invading and meddling in other countries until trump?
Trump has been president since 1846?
Russia has been doing imperialism and colonialism since forever. Otherwise there wouldn’t be such significant Russian populations that are still monolingually Russian in former Soviet states.
The entire existence of the US is imperialism and colonialism. Until the 1960s the US had a policy of eradicating indigenous languages and cultures. So did Canada and Australia by the way.
Multiculturalism good except for those orc hordes 🤡
The USSR was anti-imperialist and anti-colonial, and the Russian Federation inhereted no colonies of the tsarist Russian Empire because of this. There was no “soviet imperialism.”
Absolutely hilarious!
Ignore the violent repression of eastern Europe, the subjugation of native populations in the south and east, the proxy wars and the sphere of influence and international power politics.
I’m having a hard time right now and you genuinely made me laugh, thank you!
If your entire understanding of the USSR came from decades of propaganda from its geopolitical enemies maybe you should look into how much of what you were taught was either interpreted in the worst way possible if not entirely made up. A lot of anti communist myths were started by the literal nazis but the west ran with them because they hate communism more than they hate mass genocide.
The USSR did not colonize nor plunder internationally, instead it focused on internationalism and mutual development. It aided national liberation movements in Algeria, Cuba, Vietnam, and more. Having influence internationally is not imperialism.
Interesting, it’s your one and only comment in a one month old account.
I dunno, Russian man seems pretty sensible all things considered.
If the warzaw pact was still a thing and it had slowly been inducting south- and central American nations, despite agreements not to do so, and it was now about to induct Mexico (which had had its government couped and replaced with a pro-russian government some years before), then I think it would be pretty sensible of the US to draw a red line at mexican Warzaw pact membership and invade in order to avoid it.
Also in this analogy Texas is part of Mexico and the Mexican government has been bombing Texas for eight years, in breach of two treaties with the US.So mexico = ukraine? Then texas = ?
It’s not a perfect metaphor, but Texas would be the the two Ukrainian states with a majority ethnic russian population that sought independence after eurromaidan
Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn’t constantly attacking other countries before Trump.
Joe Biden supported and enabled the genocide in Gaza, and every president before him committed invasions and war crimes. The fact that you think it’s just a Trump thing and not a US empire thing reveals your geopolitical understanding to be puddle-deep. Hell, Putin was our guy. We put him there.
Trump is the president right now though
Liberals still deny that Biden is responsible for the genocide in Gaza
You think the fact that Russia is put under sanctions, barred from participating in international sports and other activities, has their gas lines to the rest of Europe bombed by the US, and is generally treated like they’re Nazi Germany is sensible? In a world where the countries making those decisions turn away when Israel and the US do much worse?
So do you feel like Russia shouldn’t be treated like that or the US and Israel also should be treated like that? I think the latter tbh
Well lets see the why shall we.
Russia: Engaged in a military operation because of ever encroaching US imperialism via NATO and installing a Nazi puppet government against the wishes of the Ukrainian people as is the norm and attempting to liberate them
US/Orange man; oil and stopped those EvIl CoMmiEs
Why is attacking the outer reaches of Ukraine then, when NATO and US imperialism are the problem? Also how is the government nazi with two Jews in it’s cabinet of ministers? You know, the central part of Nazism is the antisemitism. Pretty weak excuses for an invasion.
I know about a certain nazi government with way more than two.
Typical lib selective memory. Ukraine has been attempting drone swarms into Moscow targeting civilians for half a year at least, just recently struck at Putin’s houses to attempt a decapitation strike.
Oreshnik is a good reminder that if they really wanna throw away conventions of war, they don’t have a single way to intercept what would come back to them. Even then, the targets were completely legitimate and civilian casualties minimal (despite Ukraine regularly setting up based in civilian centers, which is a flagrant war crime)
Are you saying the 3 year war is in retaliation for drone strikes within the past year?
Oh shit, I forgot I’m posting to a Russian propaganda board 🙄 my bad, forget it happened. And please don’t report me to GRU.
If Putin said the sky was blue, would you suddenly insist it wasn’t?
Also: “everyone I disagree with is a russian propagandist. I am the only sapient creature in the world” - You, when you’re particularly honest with yourself
They 100% would
Considering how they reacted when Trump explained basic Eastern European history to
you’re probably right
Cope
Let’s send both Trump and Putin to the ICC in The Hague. How about that?
What does that accomplish?
Biden, Obama and Bush Jr too
And Clinton, and the other Clinton, and Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice, and-
Trump and Putin sure, but also everyone whose ever had a leadership role in the USA military. Obama is still alive. Bush is still alive. And ideally to a more trustworthy court.
Nobody mentioned Trump. I am so fucking sick of liberals acting like the US wasn’t constantly attacking other countries before Trump.
Fine, let’s send every single US president.
I agree, but only one of those 2 countries has proclaimed (in law if im not mistaken, but i may be wrong) that they would intervene militarily to prevent one of their own from being tried by the ICC, regardless of the actual crimes they’ve committed. And im talking about sending special forces to extract said alleged criminal against humanity, from another sovereign nation, abiding by its own laws.
Guess which of the 2 I’m talking about? Russia is by no means the good guy, but its not a binary issue, as most people on the internet seem to react when these 2 countries are mentioned in the same sentence. Russia being ‘bad’ doesn’t automatically make the US ‘good’ and vice versa.
Sure, who’s worse shifts back and forth over the years, but to my eyes, currently, the US is worse, and its been that way for a long time. Way before trump. Anyone who thinks this all started when trump took office, is a bit deluded.
But you’re 100% right, send both of them to the ICC, in an ideal world.
I’d be on board.
