I unblocked you just so I could downvote this ridiculous attempt at shaming people based on YOUR opinion and not fact. You are just as bad as those fascists and racists you rail so hard against. And sadly, you just don’t care.
Also temporarily unblocked because I came across this in modlogs after reporting spammers. Similar with a below poster you’re on here, all hours, spamming inflammatory political post. There’s enough posters who clearly don’t do much else with their time but use lemmy as a means to vent their frustration about their lives. Regardless of if I may appreciate why some protest Australia Day. Finding you then tagged a bunch of people who downvoted you to try and paint them as racist and shame them has all but confirmed this for me.
Edited: removed the redundant personal remarks, as even if stand by them, especially getting off social media, I think enough people are in here making that point. You can celebrate Aus day and not be racist. The binary view and political posting is why the downvote. Im not opposed to moving the day due to what it means to indigenous Australians. Most people celebrate it for having a day off work, to drink, and us becoming our own country/not being poms. Doubt you care given your replies in here but hope that clears it up for you.
Urgh, naming and shaming people for disagreeing with you? What a fkn sad thing to do, I’m ashamed to share the same opinion with someone as pathetic as you.
You asked for my opinion, but the toxicity was clear that I wasn’t going to give it. But since you’ve just said that well, here it is…
I spent years in Australia, much of it in rural areas you’d probably label as “Aboriginal communities”, as such the major city folk did, though in reality they were made up of all sorts of people. No one I knew framed life around skin colour or the actions of British colonists long before any of us were born.
While I was there, Australia Day was of contention, and it’s unusual to see it still is. An elder I worked with once put it plainly: colonial dates—Gregorian, Julian, whatever—hold little meaning because they aren’t connected to their culture and lived reality. They did not care and it was hard for them to. More broadly, I was taught that the country is shared, taught, and enjoyed with respect for all living things. That outlook helped me feel at home in a place that was intimidating at first, until I was welcomed in. And if you’ve travelled, you’d know this isn’t unique to Australia, it’s common across indigenous cultures impacted by European colonisation, especially outside Eurasia. A disassociation with the things of different cultures, yet are still having to have them shoved at the forefront and be told how to be about them.
What also struck was how openly critical they were of some Aboriginal activists. They saw them as loud, clueless, and often doing more harm than good. Creating social division to offload what someone once called "the First Fleet guilt” which passes through the generations. It was clear they didn’t want to be spoken for, particularly when those actions clashed with their culture and other’s cultures.
Based on your behaviour—both earlier and now—you appear to ve that type of person. British culture was never a part of them and never will be, yet you treat it as central because it’s central to you. You’ve even gone on to attack a list of people in ways that draw harder lines between groups, when both Aboriginal culture and broader Australian culture aim for the opposite.
The downvote was for you.
Knowing what I know, it’s a real shame to see the energy you put out in this post, knowing it could’ve been spent on so much more things helpful to those communities. But drill down a few layers and I suspect to find it was always about you and not them.
Okay so you spent some time in some communities experience a small part of a culture, and latched onto the first thing someone told you?
It is in contention and continues to be in contention because it still leaves a mark on the lives of Aboriginal peoples in Australia today. The majority of which might I add live in cities, not remote outback communities. And these things do hold meaning for them, and they are exactly their lived reality. Why don’t you go listen to their voices when they say they want the date changed, when they say they want a treaty, when they say they their words? Why do you subject them all to the opinion of a person living out woop woop? Do you think they are less ‘authentic’ or less worthy of listening to?
Aboriginal people live the same lives the rest of us do, they own houses, raise families, go to school, go to work, follow the Gregorian calendar, and so on and so forth. And they have said time and time again that they want the date changed. But you know what’s best for them?
And no, you downvoted this image long before I started commenting and calling out the racists. Many of which are the same names I’ve called out previously or seen them subtly express their racist views before and know exactly why they downvoted.
You are speaking to me as if this is my direct opinion, my words, and that I have a stake in anything. I’ve just passed on the sentiment of those I lived alongside around most of Australia at the time. I can share the opinion, but I don’t have the right to form it and hold it as though it is mine.
So, you will have to travel to change these people—just as the Australian government once tried—or accept them for it. In doing so, maybe realise that 300+ first nations should never be placed under a single umbrella term and thought of as such. This was, after all, a contributor to why your amendment to the constitution had pushback from Aunties and Uncles around the country. Again, you’d have to take that one up with them, not me.
If I am to share a personal opinion with you, though, it is simply that the world has made it clear to me; bad people always conduct themselves with the same nature and behaviour. Strangely, there are those that think it’s okay because they hide behind the mask of good intent. But at the end of the day, they’re the same people and their cause, whether good or bad, means little at that point.
I don’t need to travel to everywhere and speak to everyone to know that the consensus among most Aboriginal peoples is for the date to be changed.
You however maybe need to listen to more voices than one elder. Because you are actively arguing against what the majority want, and your reasoning is borderline racist implying they’re not authentic because they exist in a western system.
I only came here because you linked the thread elsewhere, so I didn’t see this on my front page… but you saw a poster that said ‘Australia Day’ and that left you not knowing there was an Australia day? 🤔
It even says aborigine enterprises on it, it’s not hard gather the context or follow the qr code if you wanted to learn more. And seeing some of these comments, I think OP was right to call them out.
I obviously realized that that there is an Australia day, but no information about why this is not a day to celebrate. Sure I could look into it, but the way I use up- or down votes is a reaction to what I see. Being called out for it, was a surprise to me, and fundamentally will change the way I use Lemmy from now on
While I disagree with down voting, especially en masse or on racist grounds, I am also against public shaming of voting. It’s part of the reason voting is partly hidden.
Of course, you can only have a discussion with commenters, not lurkers.
Wow, tracing people online. :-)
I hate racism, promoting one race over other is racism no mater what. All this jumping around First nation only creates more hate toward them, it is not helping at all. Want to help, help people in disadvantage no matter what race they are. If it will go predominately to aboriginals, fine, it means they need it more.
I hate racism, promoting one race over other is racism no mater what
Very true. Why, then, are you not opposed to our national celebratory holiday being moved away from a day seen as a day of mourning by some, because of what it represents for them and their culture?
It affects only a very small percentage of the population. For the majority, that date means nothing outside its official meaning. And no matter what day you pick, someone will be offended. Just move on; it does not matter in the grand scale of things. But I would agree that putting it on the day when the federation was formed would make more sense, but January 1st is already used.
They’re not posts “about aboriginal people”. They’re posts about Australia day.
It should be a day to celebrate indigenous people and indigenous history, from Tullamareena for burning down Melbourne jail, to A. M. Fernando for protesting covered in skeletons outside of Buckingham Palace.
I think Australia Day is used to celebrate the wrong things, and I’ll downvote posts I think do that. That’s my business and you’re not the fucking moral police of me cunt face.
One of the people I mentioned was literally protesting the genocide dumb ass. See this is the thing Australians have no clue who any famous or legendary aboriginal people are.
A M Fernando was literally say “these skeletons are all that you’ve left of my people”… And you think learning about that is “forgetting it’s a day of death and suffering”.
Fuckin Australians on Australia day are the fucking worst.
Yes, I only ever see you here to stir up drama and your flood of posts agitating against a day you would never celebrate anyway regardless of the date are no exception. You’re doing it again with this comment, post stuff that’s not attempting to stir up shit if you want upvotes.
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“Anyone that doesn’t like my poster is racist”, and other butthurt assholery, today at 6.
I unblocked you just so I could downvote this ridiculous attempt at shaming people based on YOUR opinion and not fact. You are just as bad as those fascists and racists you rail so hard against. And sadly, you just don’t care.
“Accountability is the same as fascism and racism”
You are such a loser, please block me again so I don’t have to deal with you replying to me.
Also temporarily unblocked because I came across this in modlogs after reporting spammers. Similar with a below poster you’re on here, all hours, spamming inflammatory political post. There’s enough posters who clearly don’t do much else with their time but use lemmy as a means to vent their frustration about their lives. Regardless of if I may appreciate why some protest Australia Day. Finding you then tagged a bunch of people who downvoted you to try and paint them as racist and shame them has all but confirmed this for me.
Edited: removed the redundant personal remarks, as even if stand by them, especially getting off social media, I think enough people are in here making that point. You can celebrate Aus day and not be racist. The binary view and political posting is why the downvote. Im not opposed to moving the day due to what it means to indigenous Australians. Most people celebrate it for having a day off work, to drink, and us becoming our own country/not being poms. Doubt you care given your replies in here but hope that clears it up for you.
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Urgh, naming and shaming people for disagreeing with you? What a fkn sad thing to do, I’m ashamed to share the same opinion with someone as pathetic as you.
Aww boo hoo naming and shaming a bunch of racists, how will I ever sleep losing your respect.
You asked for my opinion, but the toxicity was clear that I wasn’t going to give it. But since you’ve just said that well, here it is…
I spent years in Australia, much of it in rural areas you’d probably label as “Aboriginal communities”, as such the major city folk did, though in reality they were made up of all sorts of people. No one I knew framed life around skin colour or the actions of British colonists long before any of us were born.
While I was there, Australia Day was of contention, and it’s unusual to see it still is. An elder I worked with once put it plainly: colonial dates—Gregorian, Julian, whatever—hold little meaning because they aren’t connected to their culture and lived reality. They did not care and it was hard for them to. More broadly, I was taught that the country is shared, taught, and enjoyed with respect for all living things. That outlook helped me feel at home in a place that was intimidating at first, until I was welcomed in. And if you’ve travelled, you’d know this isn’t unique to Australia, it’s common across indigenous cultures impacted by European colonisation, especially outside Eurasia. A disassociation with the things of different cultures, yet are still having to have them shoved at the forefront and be told how to be about them.
What also struck was how openly critical they were of some Aboriginal activists. They saw them as loud, clueless, and often doing more harm than good. Creating social division to offload what someone once called "the First Fleet guilt” which passes through the generations. It was clear they didn’t want to be spoken for, particularly when those actions clashed with their culture and other’s cultures.
Based on your behaviour—both earlier and now—you appear to ve that type of person. British culture was never a part of them and never will be, yet you treat it as central because it’s central to you. You’ve even gone on to attack a list of people in ways that draw harder lines between groups, when both Aboriginal culture and broader Australian culture aim for the opposite.
The downvote was for you.
Knowing what I know, it’s a real shame to see the energy you put out in this post, knowing it could’ve been spent on so much more things helpful to those communities. But drill down a few layers and I suspect to find it was always about you and not them.
Okay so you spent some time in some communities experience a small part of a culture, and latched onto the first thing someone told you?
It is in contention and continues to be in contention because it still leaves a mark on the lives of Aboriginal peoples in Australia today. The majority of which might I add live in cities, not remote outback communities. And these things do hold meaning for them, and they are exactly their lived reality. Why don’t you go listen to their voices when they say they want the date changed, when they say they want a treaty, when they say they their words? Why do you subject them all to the opinion of a person living out woop woop? Do you think they are less ‘authentic’ or less worthy of listening to?
Aboriginal people live the same lives the rest of us do, they own houses, raise families, go to school, go to work, follow the Gregorian calendar, and so on and so forth. And they have said time and time again that they want the date changed. But you know what’s best for them?
And no, you downvoted this image long before I started commenting and calling out the racists. Many of which are the same names I’ve called out previously or seen them subtly express their racist views before and know exactly why they downvoted.
You are speaking to me as if this is my direct opinion, my words, and that I have a stake in anything. I’ve just passed on the sentiment of those I lived alongside around most of Australia at the time. I can share the opinion, but I don’t have the right to form it and hold it as though it is mine.
So, you will have to travel to change these people—just as the Australian government once tried—or accept them for it. In doing so, maybe realise that 300+ first nations should never be placed under a single umbrella term and thought of as such. This was, after all, a contributor to why your amendment to the constitution had pushback from Aunties and Uncles around the country. Again, you’d have to take that one up with them, not me.
If I am to share a personal opinion with you, though, it is simply that the world has made it clear to me; bad people always conduct themselves with the same nature and behaviour. Strangely, there are those that think it’s okay because they hide behind the mask of good intent. But at the end of the day, they’re the same people and their cause, whether good or bad, means little at that point.
I don’t need to travel to everywhere and speak to everyone to know that the consensus among most Aboriginal peoples is for the date to be changed.
You however maybe need to listen to more voices than one elder. Because you are actively arguing against what the majority want, and your reasoning is borderline racist implying they’re not authentic because they exist in a western system.
I personally downvoted because of the design of the poster. This was on the front page but lacked information to make sense, for the rest of the world
I didn’t even know there was an Australia Day, let alone why it’s not a day to celebrate
That said, I am blocking you because this type of confrontation and exposure is simply unacceptable
You need to get a life and focus on something that matters. Not what random people on the internet like or don’t like and asking them why
I only came here because you linked the thread elsewhere, so I didn’t see this on my front page… but you saw a poster that said ‘Australia Day’ and that left you not knowing there was an Australia day? 🤔
It even says aborigine enterprises on it, it’s not hard gather the context or follow the qr code if you wanted to learn more. And seeing some of these comments, I think OP was right to call them out.
I obviously realized that that there is an Australia day, but no information about why this is not a day to celebrate. Sure I could look into it, but the way I use up- or down votes is a reaction to what I see. Being called out for it, was a surprise to me, and fundamentally will change the way I use Lemmy from now on
While I disagree with down voting, especially en masse or on racist grounds, I am also against public shaming of voting. It’s part of the reason voting is partly hidden.
Of course, you can only have a discussion with commenters, not lurkers.
It’s purity tests given out as ideological gatekeeping. Essentially a way to sow division and make the left unpopular.
Wow, tracing people online. :-) I hate racism, promoting one race over other is racism no mater what. All this jumping around First nation only creates more hate toward them, it is not helping at all. Want to help, help people in disadvantage no matter what race they are. If it will go predominately to aboriginals, fine, it means they need it more.
Very true. Why, then, are you not opposed to our national celebratory holiday being moved away from a day seen as a day of mourning by some, because of what it represents for them and their culture?
It affects only a very small percentage of the population. For the majority, that date means nothing outside its official meaning. And no matter what day you pick, someone will be offended. Just move on; it does not matter in the grand scale of things. But I would agree that putting it on the day when the federation was formed would make more sense, but January 1st is already used.
Ah I see. Racism is ok then, when it “affects only a very small percentage of the population.”
Logic? Please explain how did you come to this conclusion?
It’s your logic, you explain it
I just fail to see how you come to this conclusion based on my post. Please explain.
If you’re so illiterate you can’t even understand your own comment, I don’t know that there’s much value in continuing here.
My opinion is fuck you, your drama and the horse you rode in on.
Upvotes and downvotes are used to indicate what people should see, and I don’t think people should see your posts.
They’re not posts “about aboriginal people”. They’re posts about Australia day.
It should be a day to celebrate indigenous people and indigenous history, from Tullamareena for burning down Melbourne jail, to A. M. Fernando for protesting covered in skeletons outside of Buckingham Palace.
I think Australia Day is used to celebrate the wrong things, and I’ll downvote posts I think do that. That’s my business and you’re not the fucking moral police of me cunt face.
Don’t you think it’s kind of gaslighting to tell people they should just forget it’s a day of death and suffering and celebrate like everyone else?
One of the people I mentioned was literally protesting the genocide dumb ass. See this is the thing Australians have no clue who any famous or legendary aboriginal people are.
A M Fernando was literally say “these skeletons are all that you’ve left of my people”… And you think learning about that is “forgetting it’s a day of death and suffering”.
Fuckin Australians on Australia day are the fucking worst.
Ok yeah that’s really good to remember. But can you tell me why it’s important to remember this on the 26th and not a more inclusive day?
The date doesn’t matter.
Yes, I only ever see you here to stir up drama and your flood of posts agitating against a day you would never celebrate anyway regardless of the date are no exception. You’re doing it again with this comment, post stuff that’s not attempting to stir up shit if you want upvotes.
We had a referendum about this, you lost.
We don’t want this identity politics bullshit, we reject it.
So, take this nonsense and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
Not in my lifetime we sure as fuck didn’t.
They’re just saying what we all knew to be true at the time. No voters weren’t voting on the proposed changes to rhe Constitution.