No actually, because despite what so many libs here seems to believe for some reason Hitler didn’t win the election, Hindenburg won, then he proceeded to appoint Hitler as chancellor and let Hitler use the position to make himself a dictator.
You still seem stuck on the idea that winning the German election was important. I’m reminding you again that it took hitler approximately 1 year to go from losing that election in 1932 to consolidating absolute power in 1933 with the Enabling Act.
It looks like Hitler’s rise to power was the result of Germany’s proportional representation political system and the inability to form government. He was able to keep forcing elections until he won.
So the analogy is not appropriate.
Took me a while to get wikipedia to tell me the voting system.
He was able to keep forcing elections until he won.
He literally did not win the election. As I just told you, he lost the election in 1932 and within a year he had essentially absolute power. Democracy didn’t matter to the nazis, they took power when they were able to practically, after hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg.
If we had the electoral power you losers think we have, why aren’t you bending the knee to us instead of moderate Republicans who fantasize about throwing you into meat grinders
It’s funny how pathetic of a “win” that supposed difference is yet you have to defend it because it’s the only leg desperately trying to hold your ridiculous argument together.
We aren’t ever gonna bend the knee either, so you can either start practicing your lunges or start practicing your goose stepping. I’m pretty sure I know which one you’ll choose.
You didn’t even know who Hindenburg was until 15 minutes ago but still confidently replied to a comment about him before looking it up, maybe don’t lecture others about their knowledge of reality.
Is that the reality where your Hindenburg already had a Holocaust under his belt before the election, and you supported him anyway like the good little nazi you are?
I’d say Trump isn’t much better, but the Gaza Peace Plan is an improvement over the status quo from before. But the parallels between Trump and Hitler are far stronger than between Biden and Hitler, especially on domestic policy.
I’m not faulting people for not voting in 2024, Trump was more of a wildcard than Biden. Voting Biden in guaranteed a continued genocide but nobody knew what Trump would do.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, his foreign policy is very idiosyncratic and his domestic policy is more mask-off (metaphorically, not literally). The Republican party behind him is more uniform in their unconditional support for Israel. The Democrat party is fractured on that front and broadly (though not unanimously) united against the most murderous of Trump’s domestic policies.
Maybe abstaining or voting third-party will incite a communist revolution, I don’t know, but right now more people are dying than would under a Democrat senate majority and I don’t see them being able to make things worse in Gaza (and they’re not really ideologically pro-genocide, they just don’t care as long as they have access to Israeli military bases).
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, not for his incompetence but for his unpredictability.
And the domestic policy of the Republicans effects the rest of the world too. Climate change is a big one, Trump would never pass the “inflation reduction act” and as much as that bill had flaws it did contribute to renewable energy in the United States. Trump also cut USAID and while that funding probably wouldn’t come back under the Democrats, it is yet another example of how non-Americans were hurt by his actions.
You wouldn’t really be getting more time though. Fascism is capitalism self-preservation response, if you started successfully mass-organizing under Hindenburg, the state would start putting in a lot of the same policies Hitler did later on. You need to act decisively and with enough force to overpower the state. Mind you, it’s not exactly like the means the Nazis seized power was especially legitimate.
You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.
By that logic, Hindenburg was “better” than Hitler, but choosing one still got you the other in the end.
You can guarantee yourself Hitler, or you can pragmatically choose Hindenburg and give your country a chance.
No actually, because despite what so many libs here seems to believe for some reason Hitler didn’t win the election, Hindenburg won, then he proceeded to appoint Hitler as chancellor and let Hitler use the position to make himself a dictator.
The only correct choice in that election was Thälmann.
If he had a chance of winning, yes.
He would have probably won if SPD supported him instead of Hindenburg.
You still seem stuck on the idea that winning the German election was important. I’m reminding you again that it took hitler approximately 1 year to go from losing that election in 1932 to consolidating absolute power in 1933 with the Enabling Act.
It looks like Hitler’s rise to power was the result of Germany’s proportional representation political system and the inability to form government. He was able to keep forcing elections until he won.
So the analogy is not appropriate.
Took me a while to get wikipedia to tell me the voting system.
He literally did not win the election. As I just told you, he lost the election in 1932 and within a year he had essentially absolute power. Democracy didn’t matter to the nazis, they took power when they were able to practically, after hitler was appointed chancellor by Hindenburg.
He didn’t win, he got handed power from Hindenburg.
“Sorry, I had to consult the liberal Holy Scripture”
Most historically literate liberal
historians are still trying to figure out how this happened /s
Liberals be playing Hitler Gatcha lmfao
And lemmy communists be playing Hitler cookie clicker.
If we had the electoral power you losers think we have, why aren’t you bending the knee to us instead of moderate Republicans who fantasize about throwing you into meat grinders
I’m not the one who needs to bend the knee, and those “moderate Republicans” aren’t ever going to.
Plus you’re all kind of obnoxious so I wouldn’t really want to be associated with you publicly.
Then stop complaining about us not voting for you.
Ah yes, the classic “the tankies are loud and mean so I HAD TO BECOME A FASCIST”
Not loud and mean, smug and delusional.
This from the “Hitler is the only option and we must support him” loser
Okay have fun electing Hitler then.
Correction: “Moderate Hitler”.
Incredibly scratched liberal
It’s funny how pathetic of a “win” that supposed difference is yet you have to defend it because it’s the only leg desperately trying to hold your ridiculous argument together.
Again, you keep sincerely saying these things that we say as jokes and it’s tripping me up
Your gotcha roll for a “moderate hitler” got you a Klaus Barbie. Congratulations.
This is a bit, isn’t it? There’s no way you actually believe the things you’re saying.
We aren’t ever gonna bend the knee either, so you can either start practicing your lunges or start practicing your goose stepping. I’m pretty sure I know which one you’ll choose.
I’m not telling you to, mostly because it wouldn’t work. I’m just saying that despite how smart you all think you are, you don’t live in reality.
You didn’t even know who Hindenburg was until 15 minutes ago but still confidently replied to a comment about him before looking it up, maybe don’t lecture others about their knowledge of reality.
Is that the reality where your Hindenburg already had a Holocaust under his belt before the election, and you supported him anyway like the good little nazi you are?
Or, maybe, you could actively resist the system that gets you Hitler no matter who you vote for through direct action and organizing?
Yeah, but maybe give yourself more time to do that by, for example, not electing Hitler.
Lol. Not beating the historically illiterate accusation
“Voting against the Nazi’s didn’t work for Germans, so let’s just try letting the Nazi’s win from the get-go”
You’re the one arguing to vote for Nazis
Remind me why the Democrats had the nicknames “Genocide Joe” and “Holocaust Harris”
I’d say Trump isn’t much better, but the Gaza Peace Plan is an improvement over the status quo from before. But the parallels between Trump and Hitler are far stronger than between Biden and Hitler, especially on domestic policy.
I’m not faulting people for not voting in 2024, Trump was more of a wildcard than Biden. Voting Biden in guaranteed a continued genocide but nobody knew what Trump would do.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, his foreign policy is very idiosyncratic and his domestic policy is more mask-off (metaphorically, not literally). The Republican party behind him is more uniform in their unconditional support for Israel. The Democrat party is fractured on that front and broadly (though not unanimously) united against the most murderous of Trump’s domestic policies.
Maybe abstaining or voting third-party will incite a communist revolution, I don’t know, but right now more people are dying than would under a Democrat senate majority and I don’t see them being able to make things worse in Gaza (and they’re not really ideologically pro-genocide, they just don’t care as long as they have access to Israeli military bases).
This logic works if you see non-Americans as Untermenschen. But if you don’t then Trumps sheer incompetence is the lesser evil for the world.
Trump is an exception to the Republican rule, not for his incompetence but for his unpredictability.
And the domestic policy of the Republicans effects the rest of the world too. Climate change is a big one, Trump would never pass the “inflation reduction act” and as much as that bill had flaws it did contribute to renewable energy in the United States. Trump also cut USAID and while that funding probably wouldn’t come back under the Democrats, it is yet another example of how non-Americans were hurt by his actions.
“Sure they were committing mass genocide, but they had slightly better policies on renewable energy!”
You wouldn’t really be getting more time though. Fascism is capitalism self-preservation response, if you started successfully mass-organizing under Hindenburg, the state would start putting in a lot of the same policies Hitler did later on. You need to act decisively and with enough force to overpower the state. Mind you, it’s not exactly like the means the Nazis seized power was especially legitimate.
are you aware of what happened when hindenburg was elected
After skimming wikipedia, yes. I’m also aware of what would’ve happened if Hitler was elected instead.
“No.” The response you were looking for was “No.”
Literally exactly the same thing?
The exact same thing, but faster and with less uncertainty.
And you “know” that how? A minute ago you literally didn’t know who won the election, now you’re claiming knowledge of alternative realities?
So basically no difference.
You’re acting like the nazis were waiting to be given power legitimately when they in fact abolished any democracy the moment they were able to get away with it. The timeline here wasn’t driven by “can hitler get enough votes to win”, hitler took power however he could (he didn’t win the vote) and abolished voting as soon as he was able. I don’t know why you think that voting against the people who plan to abolish the right to vote will do anything, they literally openly do not respect the practice or the outcomes of votes. Politically, you are staring at the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave and getting mad at people asking you to actually exit the cave and do something that might have an effect against fascists.
there is no way you are this ignorant, there no hope for libs
I almost upvoted this because I thought it was a really funny joke. Liberalism is washed.