Of course hydrogen tanks exist, but you are very naive if you don̈́’t recognize there’s an issue with storing hydrogen.
Hydrogen has extremely low density and requires very high pressure for storage, and the fact that Hydrogen permeates EVERYTHING, there is obviously leakage from ANY tank!!
There are of course technical issues which we have overcome. We used to struggle with storing water until we invented pottery, too, but that doesn’t mean that indoor plumbing isn’t viable, does it?
Batteries also self-discharge, btw, far more than hydrogen leaks – and batteries are considerably heavier, more dangerous, and less energy dense.
You obviously don’t understand the difference between hydrogen and every other form of gas. Another issue with hydrogen is that it is extremely chemically active, and will make steel brittle.
But you just continue your arrogant ignorance.
Of course there will always be a “best” form of container, but you can never make a perfect container that actually contains it completely, like you can with everything else.
There is no point in discussing this further with you. You are firmly in denial about the facts of the matter. Have fun in your alternate reality where hydrogen storage isn’t a solved problem.
storage remains an issue, because you can’t contain hydrogen
I’m glad you’re walking your claim back, at least, but the fact you made it tells me that you are arguing to defend a pre-held position, rather than discussing the matter with me to find consensus. Your persistent need to claim I do not understand the complexities of hydrogen storage underscores that fact.
There is one disadvantage hydrogen has over battery electrics, and that is the matter of efficiency, which I freely admit, I just don’t see it as a major problem, because we can generate it completely cleanly from renewable energy, which makes it significantly cleaner and cheaper in the long run compared to the highly extractivist BEVs.
But yeah, anyways, I’m sure you’ll come up with any number of rationalizations to justify your pre-existing beliefs, change is hard, I get it.
OK, obviously I mean you can’t contain it 100% like with other things. Hydrogen will always slowly seep out of any container.
I have edited the post to reflect the 100%, specifically in your honor.
Hydrogen seeps out of the system at a significantly slower rate than a battery self discharges. Modern hydrogen systems are functionally leak free and will lose next to no hydrogen over the course of months or even years.
Of course hydrogen tanks exist, but you are very naive if you don̈́’t recognize there’s an issue with storing hydrogen.
Hydrogen has extremely low density and requires very high pressure for storage, and the fact that Hydrogen permeates EVERYTHING, there is obviously leakage from ANY tank!!
There are of course technical issues which we have overcome. We used to struggle with storing water until we invented pottery, too, but that doesn’t mean that indoor plumbing isn’t viable, does it?
Batteries also self-discharge, btw, far more than hydrogen leaks – and batteries are considerably heavier, more dangerous, and less energy dense.
You obviously don’t understand the difference between hydrogen and every other form of gas. Another issue with hydrogen is that it is extremely chemically active, and will make steel brittle.
But you just continue your arrogant ignorance.
Of course there will always be a “best” form of container, but you can never make a perfect container that actually contains it completely, like you can with everything else.
There is no point in discussing this further with you. You are firmly in denial about the facts of the matter. Have fun in your alternate reality where hydrogen storage isn’t a solved problem.
I never claimed you can’t store Hydrogen, it’s not a big problem for short term storage, but you can’t store it like you can everything else.
I’m glad you’re walking your claim back, at least, but the fact you made it tells me that you are arguing to defend a pre-held position, rather than discussing the matter with me to find consensus. Your persistent need to claim I do not understand the complexities of hydrogen storage underscores that fact.
There is one disadvantage hydrogen has over battery electrics, and that is the matter of efficiency, which I freely admit, I just don’t see it as a major problem, because we can generate it completely cleanly from renewable energy, which makes it significantly cleaner and cheaper in the long run compared to the highly extractivist BEVs.
But yeah, anyways, I’m sure you’ll come up with any number of rationalizations to justify your pre-existing beliefs, change is hard, I get it.
OK, obviously I mean you can’t contain it 100% like with other things. Hydrogen will always slowly seep out of any container.
I have edited the post to reflect the 100%, specifically in your honor.
Hydrogen seeps out of the system at a significantly slower rate than a battery self discharges. Modern hydrogen systems are functionally leak free and will lose next to no hydrogen over the course of months or even years.