The Israeli military ordered an investigation into what went wrong, as strikes on two towns close to a nuclear site underlined Iran's continued ability to hit back.
can’t believe the number of downvotes. we are so fucked. this is coming from someone who’s pro palestine and anti israel and anti war as a whole. seriously, these civilians didn’t do shit. as an american citizen if i get killed in war, people will cheer for my death im sure.
The USA’s first target in Iran was a school for girls.
The USA’s first target was to kill civilians.
If you’re cheering the the USA in any of this, you’re cheering for death. No one is defending what the Iranian government has done to their civilians. But it’s not the USA’s job to be the world police, bomb little girls trying to get an education, tank the global oil economy, and send their own citizens to die in an illegal war.
Maybe take a step back. I’m queer, married to a trans person. Palestine doesn’t support me or my right to live. I don’t care I would prefer to take the higher ground in thinking Palestinians deserve a right to live.
Iran was uprising over their own government. Now they don’t have power, food is limited, and their govenment is still killing them while the USA bombs their schools.
And neither have most of the Iranian people, fuckwit. But you know the biggest difference between most Israelis and most Iranians? Iranians have almost universal no access to firearms. Meaning they have virtually no way to throw off the shackles of their dictatorship. So when Israel would rather laugh and bomb Iran. Its infrastructure. It’s desalination plants. Etc. instead of clandestinely getting weapons to Iranians in hopes they might protest and overthrow those fucking mullah dogs … don’t act surprised when some of us actually won’t bat an eye if surprise or shed a tear for Israel when it gets hit. I don’t feel bad for bullies getting their comeuppance. I won’t feel bad here either.
Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel’s recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.
Litterally foaming at the mouth, having a hate boner for dead/injured civilians. I truely hope you will look back at this in a couple of years and feel the shame you should.
I wish it happened another way (say, by the missile hitting its intended target), but in general it’s a good thing for Israelis to know they’re not invincible.
Because they’re Israeli? And a large majority of Isrealis support whats being done to Iran? If you’re a Jew who still chooses to live there then its your own fucking fault if you get killed. They have literally EVERY opportunity in the world to leave their colonial paradise.
You could say the same about the United States could you not? News flash: relocation when your broke in a shit, war ravaged economy is difficult to put it mildly.
So you’re making assumptions based on your flawed and biased experience instead of factual data. Got it. I expected that given the quality of comment you provided above.
No, I simply recognise what I perceive may not be the same as reality and would double check my assumptions before posting any comment so I do less mistakes. I especially do not proudly proclaim that my comments lack any research whatsoever and that I’m completely fine with it like you are doing.
I especially do not proudly proclaim that my comments lack any research whatsoever and that I’m completely fine with it like you are doing.
Let me phrase this in a dickish way to which you are accustomed:
So you pretend you do “research” and present your shit ideas as though they have any basis in fact despite the fact that they’re just as flawed as my expereince-based observations? Got it.
I suppose I don’t really know why I engage with willfully ignorant dumbasses. It’s just that it feels wrong to leave the really fucking stupidly wrong comments with no reply. I know it won’t break through the ignorance. They’re living in their own little alternate reality, ignoring everything that doesn’t fit into their little constructed worldview, attacking everyone who is actually trying to make the world a better place.
But I guess it makes me feel better to speak up against the stupidity, even though it’s useless. Because if we don’t, these idiots will dominate the conversation and it will end up with more people going down that path.
It’s like the anecdote of the bar where the guy is at the bar having a drink. Another guy walks in, goes up to the bar and orders a drink. Bartender tells him to get out. New guy says, “Hey, I just want to have a drink and relax, man.” Bartender has none of it, tells him to get out and never come back. New guy leaves, and our original guy asks the bartender about it, to which the bartender replies: “That guy had a swastika tattoo. He was a nazi. And the thing is, he probably would have been polite and had a drink and maybe even made friendly conversation. But the thing about nazis: Once he realized he was allowed here, he’d start bringing his other nazi friends. Once you let one of them in and stay, you become a nazi bar.”
It’s a little glurgy, and maybe it never happened or maybe it’s happened a hundred times… that’s the thing about anecdotes like that.
But the underlying principle is sound.
If we let these fucking fascists take over the conversation, soon this place will be no better than /r/the_donald or /r/conservative or Truth Social or any of the other places fascists congregate.
So I guess that’s why I speak up.
But I don’t really try to change their stupid opinions, because there’s no fucking point. All I really would like to see is for them to shut the fuck up and stop pissing all over the conversation.
They made themselves the right people with the genocide they support. 5 years ago it was a different story. But 100,000+ Palestinians later, I have no sympathy for Israelis. FAFO
Maybe not - though the anti-Israel stance of most / many leftist certainly seems to be getting pretty rabid. And the person I called a ‘leftist’ didn’t dispute that claim.
But it sure is a little fucking difficult to have a lot of sympathy for fewer than two hundred INJURED Jews when Israel has murdered way more than 20,000 Palestinians - countless instances of running them over alive with bulldozers or tanks, crushing them alive in the treads, or just shooting random kids.
Little fucking difficult to feel too much sympathy there.
We love to supremacists who setup camping chairs and bring snacks to watch children be bombed by their supremacists military finally face consequences of the terror they’ve inflicted on so many nations and taste a tiny bit of their own medicine, and they happen to identify as Jews.
Israelis meanwhile unapologetically love watching “Arabs” die at their hands.
It’s a common Israeli talking point to associate any critique of their government with antisemitism.
It’s very transparent.
It’s the same people acting as mouthpieces that are silent when Israel actually targets hospitals or their soldiers torture babies and rape prisoners. Hard to pretend they aren’t the ones indoctrinated to hate a specific set of people.
Your hate towards anyone that isnt subservient to Israel has turned a massively shitty theocratic regime into some kind of weird underdog worth cheering for.
It’s like if Italy and Germany were fighting in WW2 and you dont understand why people are cheering on Italy, but even more, you actually think the Nazis are the good guys. Everyone else is simply going “they both suck but one is clearly worse than the other, because of the genocide and all”.
Put all the quotes that you like but you are either against Zionism or pro genocide.
Israel’s & Israeli sympathizer’s labeling of antisemitism for all criticisms is making that phrase meaningless. They’re putting jewish people at risk by hiding behind it.
Just own it, people are hating on that country because they commit war crimes, warmonger nonstop, and use mossad to run pedo rings to influence / control their “allies” governments—then pretend to be the victim.
Point me towards a comment where you have been critical of Israel bombing hospitals in Lebanon, bombing refugee camps in Palestine or causing over 1000 civilian deaths in Iran these past few weeks.
I know it’s a bad thing to kill civilians. That’s why I’m against the country that goes out of its way to do it. Israel revels in civilian deaths.
This comment is why I can’t take you at your word when you say you’re against all civilian deaths.
Not only do you not have any proof to give, which might be explainable by you not getting the chance to make such a comment just yet. But instead of simply explaining why and using this chance to call out Israel for their atrocities against civilians, you decided to focus on one part of the comment so you can avoid criticising Israel while claiming the moral high ground.
This is a very typical Zionist tactic which is convincing me more and more that you are not arguing in good faith. I can still be wrong, but you’re not making it easy for me to trust you.
In this case, all the victims are disproportionately Zionists, so what you’re claiming is the less likely thing to be happening here. It’s also very transparent when Zionists try to hide behind the Jew identity so they can avoid consequences for their actions, you know?
There are polls showing the majority of Israelis consider themselves Zionists. For example.
I want to say you’re just uninformed, but I’m way too used to the way Zionists argue to recognise when they are just acting like they don’t know so they can make false arguments that aren’t based on any facts.
Go Iran! Fuck em up!
…never thought I would be cheering for Iran. Broken clocks I guess
Why the fuck would you cheer for civilian victims? Sicko.
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can’t believe the number of downvotes. we are so fucked. this is coming from someone who’s pro palestine and anti israel and anti war as a whole. seriously, these civilians didn’t do shit. as an american citizen if i get killed in war, people will cheer for my death im sure.
The USA’s first target in Iran was a school for girls.
The USA’s first target was to kill civilians.
If you’re cheering the the USA in any of this, you’re cheering for death. No one is defending what the Iranian government has done to their civilians. But it’s not the USA’s job to be the world police, bomb little girls trying to get an education, tank the global oil economy, and send their own citizens to die in an illegal war.
Maybe take a step back. I’m queer, married to a trans person. Palestine doesn’t support me or my right to live. I don’t care I would prefer to take the higher ground in thinking Palestinians deserve a right to live.
Iran was uprising over their own government. Now they don’t have power, food is limited, and their govenment is still killing them while the USA bombs their schools.
Fucking great alternative.
And neither have most of the Iranian people, fuckwit. But you know the biggest difference between most Israelis and most Iranians? Iranians have almost universal no access to firearms. Meaning they have virtually no way to throw off the shackles of their dictatorship. So when Israel would rather laugh and bomb Iran. Its infrastructure. It’s desalination plants. Etc. instead of clandestinely getting weapons to Iranians in hopes they might protest and overthrow those fucking mullah dogs … don’t act surprised when some of us actually won’t bat an eye if surprise or shed a tear for Israel when it gets hit. I don’t feel bad for bullies getting their comeuppance. I won’t feel bad here either.
Same. But people want to feel righteous I guess and celebrating civilian victims is an outlet for that.
Israelis have been actively slaughtering innocent women and children in Palestine for years now with the public cheering on, they have started an unprovoked war with Iran by bombing a school killing 150 little girls. This is just a tiny sample of Israel’s recent crimes. Is it any wonder the world has little sympathy for them? About the same amount that we had for the Nazis after all of their war crimes. Get fucked Israel, go eat several bags of dicks.
Litterally foaming at the mouth, having a hate boner for dead/injured civilians. I truely hope you will look back at this in a couple of years and feel the shame you should.
Because they want this, they just don’t want it aimed at them.
Why? Because fuck them, thats why.
I wish it happened another way (say, by the missile hitting its intended target), but in general it’s a good thing for Israelis to know they’re not invincible.
Because they’re Israeli? And a large majority of Isrealis support whats being done to Iran? If you’re a Jew who still chooses to live there then its your own fucking fault if you get killed. They have literally EVERY opportunity in the world to leave their colonial paradise.
You could say the same about the United States could you not? News flash: relocation when your broke in a shit, war ravaged economy is difficult to put it mildly.
You find it weird people are cheering for an evil country getting bombed?
It’s amazing how quickly leftists support was crimes so long as the victims are “the right people”.
I’m also amazed at how quickly you blame leftists based on one person’s comment that gave no indication that they are a leftist.
I’ve been on lemmy long enough. It’s always lefties.
So you’re making assumptions based on your flawed and biased experience instead of factual data. Got it. I expected that given the quality of comment you provided above.
😂
I assume everything you say is only the highest of quality peer-reviewed science too.
No, I simply recognise what I perceive may not be the same as reality and would double check my assumptions before posting any comment so I do less mistakes. I especially do not proudly proclaim that my comments lack any research whatsoever and that I’m completely fine with it like you are doing.
Let me phrase this in a dickish way to which you are accustomed:
So you pretend you do “research” and present your shit ideas as though they have any basis in fact despite the fact that they’re just as flawed as my expereince-based observations? Got it.
Are the leftists in the room with you right now?
I mean… Have you been on lemmy long?
I suppose I don’t really know why I engage with willfully ignorant dumbasses. It’s just that it feels wrong to leave the really fucking stupidly wrong comments with no reply. I know it won’t break through the ignorance. They’re living in their own little alternate reality, ignoring everything that doesn’t fit into their little constructed worldview, attacking everyone who is actually trying to make the world a better place.
But I guess it makes me feel better to speak up against the stupidity, even though it’s useless. Because if we don’t, these idiots will dominate the conversation and it will end up with more people going down that path.
It’s like the anecdote of the bar where the guy is at the bar having a drink. Another guy walks in, goes up to the bar and orders a drink. Bartender tells him to get out. New guy says, “Hey, I just want to have a drink and relax, man.” Bartender has none of it, tells him to get out and never come back. New guy leaves, and our original guy asks the bartender about it, to which the bartender replies: “That guy had a swastika tattoo. He was a nazi. And the thing is, he probably would have been polite and had a drink and maybe even made friendly conversation. But the thing about nazis: Once he realized he was allowed here, he’d start bringing his other nazi friends. Once you let one of them in and stay, you become a nazi bar.”
It’s a little glurgy, and maybe it never happened or maybe it’s happened a hundred times… that’s the thing about anecdotes like that.
But the underlying principle is sound.
If we let these fucking fascists take over the conversation, soon this place will be no better than /r/the_donald or /r/conservative or Truth Social or any of the other places fascists congregate.
So I guess that’s why I speak up.
But I don’t really try to change their stupid opinions, because there’s no fucking point. All I really would like to see is for them to shut the fuck up and stop pissing all over the conversation.
They made themselves the right people with the genocide they support. 5 years ago it was a different story. But 100,000+ Palestinians later, I have no sympathy for Israelis. FAFO
I am not convinced these people are leftist tbh. At least in my leftist circles in the real world atrocities like these are not celebrated.
Maybe not - though the anti-Israel stance of most / many leftist certainly seems to be getting pretty rabid. And the person I called a ‘leftist’ didn’t dispute that claim.
Some people love dead Jews.
I don’t.
But it sure is a little fucking difficult to have a lot of sympathy for fewer than two hundred INJURED Jews when Israel has murdered way more than 20,000 Palestinians - countless instances of running them over alive with bulldozers or tanks, crushing them alive in the treads, or just shooting random kids.
Little fucking difficult to feel too much sympathy there.
We love to supremacists who setup camping chairs and bring snacks to watch children be bombed by their supremacists military finally face consequences of the terror they’ve inflicted on so many nations and taste a tiny bit of their own medicine, and they happen to identify as Jews.
Israelis meanwhile unapologetically love watching “Arabs” die at their hands.
Not only die, they love watching them be tortured and raped as well.
Must be “”“anti-zionism”“” again.
It’s a common Israeli talking point to associate any critique of their government with antisemitism.
It’s very transparent.
It’s the same people acting as mouthpieces that are silent when Israel actually targets hospitals or their soldiers torture babies and rape prisoners. Hard to pretend they aren’t the ones indoctrinated to hate a specific set of people.
Your hate towards anyone that isnt subservient to Israel has turned a massively shitty theocratic regime into some kind of weird underdog worth cheering for.
It’s like if Italy and Germany were fighting in WW2 and you dont understand why people are cheering on Italy, but even more, you actually think the Nazis are the good guys. Everyone else is simply going “they both suck but one is clearly worse than the other, because of the genocide and all”.
Put all the quotes that you like but you are either against Zionism or pro genocide.
It’s also a common anti-semite talking point to declare clear-as-day anti-semitism as anti-zionism.
Very transparent.
And btw. I am against zionism while still being able to tell that it’s a bad thing to slaughter civilians. Wonder why you aren’t.
Israel’s & Israeli sympathizer’s labeling of antisemitism for all criticisms is making that phrase meaningless. They’re putting jewish people at risk by hiding behind it.
Just own it, people are hating on that country because they commit war crimes, warmonger nonstop, and use mossad to run pedo rings to influence / control their “allies” governments—then pretend to be the victim.
Has nothing to do with the faith of the people.
Point me towards a comment where you have been critical of Israel bombing hospitals in Lebanon, bombing refugee camps in Palestine or causing over 1000 civilian deaths in Iran these past few weeks.
I know it’s a bad thing to kill civilians. That’s why I’m against the country that goes out of its way to do it. Israel revels in civilian deaths.
cool so we are in agreement as to my initial comment that it is fucked up to cheer dead civilians.
This comment is why I can’t take you at your word when you say you’re against all civilian deaths.
Not only do you not have any proof to give, which might be explainable by you not getting the chance to make such a comment just yet. But instead of simply explaining why and using this chance to call out Israel for their atrocities against civilians, you decided to focus on one part of the comment so you can avoid criticising Israel while claiming the moral high ground.
This is a very typical Zionist tactic which is convincing me more and more that you are not arguing in good faith. I can still be wrong, but you’re not making it easy for me to trust you.
In this case, all the victims are disproportionately Zionists, so what you’re claiming is the less likely thing to be happening here. It’s also very transparent when Zionists try to hide behind the Jew identity so they can avoid consequences for their actions, you know?
There is no possible way for you to know that. You are basing this assumption exclusively where these people happened to have been born.
There are polls showing the majority of Israelis consider themselves Zionists. For example.
I want to say you’re just uninformed, but I’m way too used to the way Zionists argue to recognise when they are just acting like they don’t know so they can make false arguments that aren’t based on any facts.