To put it in perspective: the USA has it (but dormant as it was last used in the 60s) now, instead part of an automatic register. I’ve heard that last year Germany for example proposed to impose a mandatory, volunteer-focused military service model on boosting defense against threats like Russia but would you really enlist in the German Army (Bundeswehr) or refuse instead of adhereing to politicians interests?

I’ve heard a similar thing in France with them introducing a new voluntary 10-month military service program for 18-19 year olds starting this summer 2026, but would guys there be willing to enlist or outright refuse? What ever the case is, would guys in Europe either accept voluntary military service imposed by their nation or refuse to enlist as they know that politicians are the ones who instigate wars in the first place?

For EU nations that still have the draft enforced (mandatory conscription): what happens if guys refuse it? Do they end up in jail? In that case, would you rather be imprisoned for refusing or comply? I know that some countries have alternative service (civic) rather than conventional military service, but what happens if the individual refuses either? I mean, is it a criminal offense for simply refusing conscription?

  • SilentStriker@piefed.socialOPEnglish
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    22 hours ago

    the government is shit
    I hear that kind of response from Americans regarding the draft (well… Trump is in office, a president who is a convicted felon by the way) so hence why they would rather be in prison instead of either dying on foreign soil or be scarred with PTSD whilst being neglected by the “system” that’s meant to help.

    I wouldn’t go because my country is not worth fighting for.
    It’s the same for the US, knowing them: like with the Iraq war (Bush uses the pretense of WMD’s in which there are none found) both soldiers and marines died for a conflict Bush initiated. In their case, most of the wars (outside their own borders) are instigated by their own government.

    • HuudaHarkiten@piefed.socialEnglish
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      22 hours ago

      Seems like I didn’t finish my thought there, I was in the middle of only my second cup of morning coffee, sorry for being a bit unclear!

      But yes, I would include the US in “russia or some such place.” I would argue that the US has not fought a defensive war since 1945. So I would exclude them from the “defending your country” thing. If you join the US armed forces, you are not going to defend your country, if anything, you are making the world more dangerous for your fellow countrymenwomen.

      So if you are a American, I probably agree with any and all reasons to not join the military. But thats also why I included the bit about “if you are European” in my original post.

      • SilentStriker@piefed.socialOPEnglish
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        22 hours ago

        I’m not sure about Finland or the EU, but often or not the US one involves the MIC (sotateollinen kompleksi) in which is the relationship between defense companies and the government, in a business sense - they profit from war via the arms trade as weapons are used in wars made by those companies.

            • general_kitten@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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              19 hours ago

              We do have Patria and sako, patria mainly produces versatile armoured vehicles to be used as apcs/mounted with weapon systems they also produce mortar systems and some other things, Sako produces small arms