Francis beatified Junipero Serra (among others), so that’s a huge minus in my book. But I guess the bar is in the toilet.
Also, don’t anyone else feel statements like these are hugely hypocritical? The catholic church has benefited from the waging of war against non-christians for most of it’s history to the point previous churchmen has created entire theologies of justified war. Now when they lead a great population of followers they can pretend to be peace loving hippies.
Remember, the last time a people had catholicism forced on them as the consequence of war was when Chile conquered the Mapuche in 1883 and placed them in reservations and worked to convert them.
That’s like saying that people denouncing violence should be quiet because their grandparents fought in WW2. This Pope can’t change the crusades or the Spanish inquisition, but he can make a difference now. I’m no fan of the Church, but I appreciate his words.
You can’t really compare the Vatican to WW2. But if you did, imagine if the axis powers still existed and got to keep most of their territories while telling their neighbours they just wanted peace but also promoting their generals and crimes as heroic and necessary.
Once again, you can’t really compare these two. Especially since all the modern countries that descend from the axis powers relinquished the territories they conquered and have often even payed compensations to their former victims.
By that metric neither does the pre Vatican II church before 1965
I am not to comment on that more than: that comparison doesn’t make sense.
Also, don’t anyone else feel statements like these are hugely hypocritical?
No. It’s hypocritical if Popes actually speak on behalf of God, but not in general. Yes, previous Popes have said the opposite, but not this one. He isn’t being a hypocrite. He maybe should call out the bad history that his faith has though. This honesty could really go a long way to change people’s opinion on Catholicism too I think. Most people I know recognize how fucked up it’s been (and still is).
Yes, previous Popes have said the opposite, but not this one
He will still promote many of their previous campaigns and the individuals perpetrating them as necessary or good.
Most people I know recognize how fucked up it’s been (and still is).
I disagree. I have been reading up on the Spanish mission system and have multiple times been shocked by how even secular progressives will whitewash the missions to the end of the earth.
Two decent popes in a row (by pope standards)… What is the world coming to!
Francis beatified Junipero Serra (among others), so that’s a huge minus in my book. But I guess the bar is in the toilet.
Also, don’t anyone else feel statements like these are hugely hypocritical? The catholic church has benefited from the waging of war against non-christians for most of it’s history to the point previous churchmen has created entire theologies of justified war. Now when they lead a great population of followers they can pretend to be peace loving hippies.
Remember, the last time a people had catholicism forced on them as the consequence of war was when Chile conquered the Mapuche in 1883 and placed them in reservations and worked to convert them.
That’s like saying that people denouncing violence should be quiet because their grandparents fought in WW2. This Pope can’t change the crusades or the Spanish inquisition, but he can make a difference now. I’m no fan of the Church, but I appreciate his words.
You can’t really compare the Vatican to WW2. But if you did, imagine if the axis powers still existed and got to keep most of their territories while telling their neighbours they just wanted peace but also promoting their generals and crimes as heroic and necessary.
This applies to all 3 major axis powers
This applies to Japan
None of the axis powers exists.
And they are widely criticised, like they should be.
By that metric neither does the pre Vatican II church before 1965
I agree. But they absolutely exist and do the thing that you said nobody does.
Once again, you can’t really compare these two. Especially since all the modern countries that descend from the axis powers relinquished the territories they conquered and have often even payed compensations to their former victims.
I am not to comment on that more than: that comparison doesn’t make sense.
Not really.
What did I say nobody does?
No. It’s hypocritical if Popes actually speak on behalf of God, but not in general. Yes, previous Popes have said the opposite, but not this one. He isn’t being a hypocrite. He maybe should call out the bad history that his faith has though. This honesty could really go a long way to change people’s opinion on Catholicism too I think. Most people I know recognize how fucked up it’s been (and still is).
He will still promote many of their previous campaigns and the individuals perpetrating them as necessary or good.
I disagree. I have been reading up on the Spanish mission system and have multiple times been shocked by how even secular progressives will whitewash the missions to the end of the earth.