Not every body joined to carry out a fascist regimes whims, some joined before and are contracted for years. Some people have no option but the military if they want to have health care for their kids. It’s an unfortunate truth that many good people are in the military because it’s the only way to provide for their family, and a blanket fuck all military members statement shows just how ignorant and stupid you are.
Yeah… only way to have health care for your kids is to blow up other kids. The only way to provide for your family is to provide death to other families.
You cry and call others privileged who have experienced US-backed coups, invasions, sanctions as a collective punishment to starve people, to force countries that who have been taken over to put in severe austerity measures so that people work for fuck-all so that it can be exported to YOUR country for cheap!
And you?? You are crying how oppressed you are? Motherfucker you are not sleeping without a worry whether or not you would wake up after having hour home blown up. You are in fact privileged just from the fact you are living within the Empire that is the US.
Then you justify people joining the military forces that are the ones imposing these terrors onto the global south. You are one depraved and oblivious person. Listen to what the others are saying and read a fucking book for once.
Hint: You can live within the imperial core and still acknowledge your own privilege. I know I am privileged by living in a NATO(Nazi) country.
sorry you feel that way.
the us has been a terror state since at least ww2 and has terrorized people all over the world for decades. every place they entered was left in shambles and millions of people are worse off and suffering due to the usa’s actions. trump didn´t change the trajectory of american foreign politics and warmongering. america didn´t turn fascist over night. it’s only now that a president makes life worse domestically in a very blatant fashion.
after your statement you are not in the position to call someone “ignorant”
Ok and where do you live buddy? It is ignorant to act like everybody in the military is there by choice. When the choice is to let your family starve and die of preventable disease, or join the war machine do you see that as a choice? Is letting your family die an option you keep on the table? 2 of my siblings would not be here today if not for my father’s health coverage in the military. Not everybody grew up in well to do families that had options, some took the only opportunities they had and to day that’s a choice is pure ignorance. This helps your children have a choice, instead of a grave stone. And the fascist movement in USA really has taken off in the last decade, go watch a George bush talk when he was president. He sounds like a lefty by todays standards with how far the Overton window has shifted. And no I am not justifying the endless stream of “military operations” the USA has partook in, but to compare what’s going on today to what military action looked like 20 years ago is just silly.
I said bush sounds like a lefty due to how much the Overton window has shifted. Are u blind to the right wing nationalism that has taken the USA? There are other jobs in not saying that. I’m not in the military. I also don’t have health care, and when I had jobs that offered the family plans were incredibly expensive. The military is sometimes just the only way your going to get healthcare for you kids, especially if you don’t have good education or other skills. I’m a mechanic and it’s hard to get a GOOD family plan without giving half your salary for it.
Wild conclusion that I’m ignorant of the rightward shift just because I said Bush doesn’t sound like a lefty. Doesn’t help your case that he never was one in the first place.
That’s kind of my whole point. Do you know what an Overton window is? Please listen to bush as president speak on immigration and then listen to fill in the blank current Republican talk about immigration policy. Bush sounds like a lefty by todays standards because we’re so far off the right I don’t know what direction is anymore
I am not justifying the endless stream of “military operations” the USA has partook in, but to compare what’s going on today to what military action looked like 20 years ago is just silly.
What do you actually know about Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Yugoslavia? Afghanistan? …
Only someone as privileged as a USian could say something so completely wrong.
If your trying to act like what is happening in the USA today is the same as 20 years ago I can only imagine the privelidge you must have to be so naive.
you’re either delusional or ridiculously uninformed.
in this case i don’t care if trump does silly shit within your borders.
the us has bombed countries back into the stone age for almost a century. and it’s always either about gaining control of resources or for “strategic purposes”.
apart from ww2 (in which they dropped a nuke on a country that was about to be defeated anyway) almost every war in the 20th and 21st century was just an unjustified massacre in places they had no reason to be in other than to swoop in and grab natural resources and plant a base. they haven’t defended themselves once and all the justifications they had to enter a war were the consequences of their own acting.
i implore you to read more about the atrocities your country committed.
It doesn’t matter whether i’m privileged or a victim of your murderous nation. the criticism would still be valid.
All too familiar with most of the atrocities although it’s hard to keep up. How am I delusional though? Do you live in the USA? Do you know how hard full family coverage with no deductable is to get? Do u know what it costs to keep a child with birth defects alive? Some people would pay any price. This whole comment thread started about how some people don’t really have a choice but to join the military.
You’re evidently okay with the atrocities being committed. You excuse the inflicting of suffering and devastation on non Americans for a selfish benefitting of the soldiers committing and abetting them directly, and moreover to the benefit of scumbag elites who are incentivized to continue perpetrating acts of aggression, crimes, and atrocities, placing profits over people as always.
Smedley Butler’s conclusions apply to every American soldier.
Rich of you to apply the conclusion of a decorated 34 year marine corps general… Who yes said soldiers are pawns for imperialism. It’s a rough life sacrificing your values to provide for your family, but if you bring people into this world you better take care of them.
I don’t care about internal US bullishit (we were talking about US wars) but even in that area you’re wilfully ignorant McCarthyism, The deporter in chief, Guantanamo bay, Abu gharib (CIA black sites et al). You are clearly a very privileged person with a very loose grasp on history and reality.
While we’re on the tipic. Please explain to me how the extermination campaign in Korea (dropping more bombs on half an already small peninsula than were dropped in the Pacific theatre of WW2 as a whole, 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 of the population killed, all major farms and structures turned to rubble leaving the survivors living in caves) is not equivalent or honestly worse than the more recent atrocities. Or how about Vietnam still dealing with the after affects of the rainbow agents (agent orange etc.). Or the US collection of pet failed states like Libya. How about putting pinochet or the shah (aka the butcher) in power alongside the rest of their pet fascists of the day.
You are an arrogant uninformed privileged ass who needs to read some books and get in touch with reality.
Are you really going to talk about the bombing in Korea followed by the atrocities in Vietnam? Are you familiar with Korean war crimes and anti communist efforts in Vietnam? Ever heard of the phong nhi massacre? My point being is nobodies hands are clean. Most soldiers aren’t after blood, they just need to feed their family. I might be a little more clued in than you are …
Every single one of them participate in or abet the acts of aggression, crimes, and atrocities carried out across the many conflicts the U.S. is participating and has participated in. As has been pointed out, they help facilitate the killing of civilians, many of which are impoverished.
The fact they’re joining for the benefits does not excuse them in any way.
The very last part of your last sentence is a confession.
There is something so much more nauseating, cowardly and despicable about lacing therapy language with hatred instead of just telling someone to go fuck themselves
Most people are more worried about their immediate family than strangers. But yes I do care, and fortunately it’s not a call I have had to make but I literally couldn’t have kids if I wanted to unless I joined the military today. Too bad the echo chamber here has never had to make a tough call! Maybe they could relate if they had to struggle and grow up poor.
So have I dumb ass, on both sides of US invasions. My mother is from Venezuela, and my father is ashamed of what he had to do to provide his children with a better life. That’s not what my original comment was about, I was stating that in the United States if you are poor and want health care and the opportunity to provide for you family your option is the military. Must be nice to come from a country where you have a choice, your privilege is showing.
I’m trans, disabled, unemployed and from/in Latin America, you asshole. Having principles isn’t a privilege, it’s the bare minimum. If you believe we’re less human than you and we can get killed so you get healthcare you suck. I’d sooner do precarious work that only puts me at risk than do that. There’s no universe in which what you’re saying makes sense. Grow up and stop making imperialist apologia.
See that’s the thing. Only puts YOU at risk not others. I’m talking about people who want to raise a family and aren’t from a wealthy family or incredibly lucky. I don’t want to make that call so I don’t have kids and therefore haven’t been basically forced to join the military. I’m not talking about having principals I’m talking about having family health 0 out of pocket I don’t get why people are conflating this with some sort of military support when I just said somebody is ignorant for saying fuck everybody in the military, as if its a choice for some of them.
You’re defending killing people, you’re disgusting, that’s the whole thing. I wouldn’t kill children or rape anyone to provide for my own children. If they can’t take care of their children then they should organize against their government, not kill people in our countries.
People have been organizing against our government for decades. How many generations before it’s acceptable to provide care for your family? You are right if it can’t be done you should not have kids. That’s why I havent. I also never defended killing people. I simply said some people don’t have an option but to join military if they want health care for their family and thats a fact.
Not every body joined to carry out a fascist regimes whims, some joined before and are contracted for years. Some people have no option but the military if they want to have health care for their kids. It’s an unfortunate truth that many good people are in the military because it’s the only way to provide for their family, and a blanket fuck all military members statement shows just how ignorant and stupid you are.
Yeah… only way to have health care for your kids is to blow up other kids. The only way to provide for your family is to provide death to other families.
So you are familiar with the American nightmare? Why do you think so few have kids anymore.
You cry and call others privileged who have experienced US-backed coups, invasions, sanctions as a collective punishment to starve people, to force countries that who have been taken over to put in severe austerity measures so that people work for fuck-all so that it can be exported to YOUR country for cheap!
And you?? You are crying how oppressed you are? Motherfucker you are not sleeping without a worry whether or not you would wake up after having hour home blown up. You are in fact privileged just from the fact you are living within the Empire that is the US.
Then you justify people joining the military forces that are the ones imposing these terrors onto the global south. You are one depraved and oblivious person. Listen to what the others are saying and read a fucking book for once.
Hint: You can live within the imperial core and still acknowledge your own privilege. I know I am privileged by living in a NATO(Nazi) country.
Most join because they’re rapists and they know rape is legal for soldiers.
sorry you feel that way. the us has been a terror state since at least ww2 and has terrorized people all over the world for decades. every place they entered was left in shambles and millions of people are worse off and suffering due to the usa’s actions. trump didn´t change the trajectory of american foreign politics and warmongering. america didn´t turn fascist over night. it’s only now that a president makes life worse domestically in a very blatant fashion.
after your statement you are not in the position to call someone “ignorant”
Ok and where do you live buddy? It is ignorant to act like everybody in the military is there by choice. When the choice is to let your family starve and die of preventable disease, or join the war machine do you see that as a choice? Is letting your family die an option you keep on the table? 2 of my siblings would not be here today if not for my father’s health coverage in the military. Not everybody grew up in well to do families that had options, some took the only opportunities they had and to day that’s a choice is pure ignorance. This helps your children have a choice, instead of a grave stone. And the fascist movement in USA really has taken off in the last decade, go watch a George bush talk when he was president. He sounds like a lefty by todays standards with how far the Overton window has shifted. And no I am not justifying the endless stream of “military operations” the USA has partook in, but to compare what’s going on today to what military action looked like 20 years ago is just silly.
How many other people’s siblings aren’t there anymore because of what your father helped carry out?
Almost as if there are other jobs out there besides military. Or do those not count?
Also, the fact you think Bush sounds like a lefty further highlights your own sheer ignorance.
I said bush sounds like a lefty due to how much the Overton window has shifted. Are u blind to the right wing nationalism that has taken the USA? There are other jobs in not saying that. I’m not in the military. I also don’t have health care, and when I had jobs that offered the family plans were incredibly expensive. The military is sometimes just the only way your going to get healthcare for you kids, especially if you don’t have good education or other skills. I’m a mechanic and it’s hard to get a GOOD family plan without giving half your salary for it.
Wild conclusion that I’m ignorant of the rightward shift just because I said Bush doesn’t sound like a lefty. Doesn’t help your case that he never was one in the first place.
That’s kind of my whole point. Do you know what an Overton window is? Please listen to bush as president speak on immigration and then listen to fill in the blank current Republican talk about immigration policy. Bush sounds like a lefty by todays standards because we’re so far off the right I don’t know what direction is anymore
Every US soldier is an evil piece of shit.
What do you actually know about Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Yugoslavia? Afghanistan? …
Only someone as privileged as a USian could say something so completely wrong.
can´t add more to this. thx for saving me the headache of writing paragraphs.
If your trying to act like what is happening in the USA today is the same as 20 years ago I can only imagine the privelidge you must have to be so naive.
you’re either delusional or ridiculously uninformed.
in this case i don’t care if trump does silly shit within your borders. the us has bombed countries back into the stone age for almost a century. and it’s always either about gaining control of resources or for “strategic purposes”.
apart from ww2 (in which they dropped a nuke on a country that was about to be defeated anyway) almost every war in the 20th and 21st century was just an unjustified massacre in places they had no reason to be in other than to swoop in and grab natural resources and plant a base. they haven’t defended themselves once and all the justifications they had to enter a war were the consequences of their own acting.
i implore you to read more about the atrocities your country committed.
It doesn’t matter whether i’m privileged or a victim of your murderous nation. the criticism would still be valid.
All too familiar with most of the atrocities although it’s hard to keep up. How am I delusional though? Do you live in the USA? Do you know how hard full family coverage with no deductable is to get? Do u know what it costs to keep a child with birth defects alive? Some people would pay any price. This whole comment thread started about how some people don’t really have a choice but to join the military.
america sucks, america is hell and i heavily sympathise with people who don’t reap the benefits of a proper healtcare system.
as soon as you join the army you are an enemy and i hope for your demise as you become part of the imperialism machine.
you are disgusting for promoting killing and maiming people for healthcare benefits or a camaro.
death to america
You’re evidently okay with the atrocities being committed. You excuse the inflicting of suffering and devastation on non Americans for a selfish benefitting of the soldiers committing and abetting them directly, and moreover to the benefit of scumbag elites who are incentivized to continue perpetrating acts of aggression, crimes, and atrocities, placing profits over people as always.
Smedley Butler’s conclusions apply to every American soldier.
Rich of you to apply the conclusion of a decorated 34 year marine corps general… Who yes said soldiers are pawns for imperialism. It’s a rough life sacrificing your values to provide for your family, but if you bring people into this world you better take care of them.
I don’t care about internal US bullishit (we were talking about US wars) but even in that area you’re wilfully ignorant McCarthyism, The deporter in chief, Guantanamo bay, Abu gharib (CIA black sites et al). You are clearly a very privileged person with a very loose grasp on history and reality.
While we’re on the tipic. Please explain to me how the extermination campaign in Korea (dropping more bombs on half an already small peninsula than were dropped in the Pacific theatre of WW2 as a whole, 1 in 5 to 1 in 4 of the population killed, all major farms and structures turned to rubble leaving the survivors living in caves) is not equivalent or honestly worse than the more recent atrocities. Or how about Vietnam still dealing with the after affects of the rainbow agents (agent orange etc.). Or the US collection of pet failed states like Libya. How about putting pinochet or the shah (aka the butcher) in power alongside the rest of their pet fascists of the day.
You are an arrogant uninformed privileged ass who needs to read some books and get in touch with reality.
Are you really going to talk about the bombing in Korea followed by the atrocities in Vietnam? Are you familiar with Korean war crimes and anti communist efforts in Vietnam? Ever heard of the phong nhi massacre? My point being is nobodies hands are clean. Most soldiers aren’t after blood, they just need to feed their family. I might be a little more clued in than you are …
You truly are despicable or the most complete idiot I have ever seen.
How about trying to actually answer the question posed instead of further projection?
Every single one of them participate in or abet the acts of aggression, crimes, and atrocities carried out across the many conflicts the U.S. is participating and has participated in. As has been pointed out, they help facilitate the killing of civilians, many of which are impoverished.
The fact they’re joining for the benefits does not excuse them in any way.
The very last part of your last sentence is a confession.
I hope every US soldier returns in a box
I know that comment can only come from pain. I hope you can heal 🙏
There is something so much more nauseating, cowardly and despicable about lacing therapy language with hatred instead of just telling someone to go fuck themselves
And do you not care about the families and children in the countries they plunder and rape?
Most people are more worried about their immediate family than strangers. But yes I do care, and fortunately it’s not a call I have had to make but I literally couldn’t have kids if I wanted to unless I joined the military today. Too bad the echo chamber here has never had to make a tough call! Maybe they could relate if they had to struggle and grow up poor.
You think growing up poor would make me feel bad about them signing up to kill my family?
DEATH TO AMERICA
The “echo chamber” here includes people who lost family and friends to US invasions, f off
So have I dumb ass, on both sides of US invasions. My mother is from Venezuela, and my father is ashamed of what he had to do to provide his children with a better life. That’s not what my original comment was about, I was stating that in the United States if you are poor and want health care and the opportunity to provide for you family your option is the military. Must be nice to come from a country where you have a choice, your privilege is showing.
STOP DEFENDING US FASCISM
I’m trans, disabled, unemployed and from/in Latin America, you asshole. Having principles isn’t a privilege, it’s the bare minimum. If you believe we’re less human than you and we can get killed so you get healthcare you suck. I’d sooner do precarious work that only puts me at risk than do that. There’s no universe in which what you’re saying makes sense. Grow up and stop making imperialist apologia.
See that’s the thing. Only puts YOU at risk not others. I’m talking about people who want to raise a family and aren’t from a wealthy family or incredibly lucky. I don’t want to make that call so I don’t have kids and therefore haven’t been basically forced to join the military. I’m not talking about having principals I’m talking about having family health 0 out of pocket I don’t get why people are conflating this with some sort of military support when I just said somebody is ignorant for saying fuck everybody in the military, as if its a choice for some of them.
You’re defending killing people, you’re disgusting, that’s the whole thing. I wouldn’t kill children or rape anyone to provide for my own children. If they can’t take care of their children then they should organize against their government, not kill people in our countries.
People have been organizing against our government for decades. How many generations before it’s acceptable to provide care for your family? You are right if it can’t be done you should not have kids. That’s why I havent. I also never defended killing people. I simply said some people don’t have an option but to join military if they want health care for their family and thats a fact.