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Another reason why they stayed there for years is not only it’s one of many channels for which to impart their news about their activities or telling users they have individual right to privacy, with fucking Musk now in charge, their presence sought to challenge that bastard’s grip upon social media. Likewise, neither the UN nor Al-Jazeera are yet leaving the platform for the sake of informing the world and the oppressed in general, despite these organizations being opposed to right-wing warmongering, lying, and mafia capitalism, and Musk in response trying to reduce their presence.
To the people saying things like “what took you so long”, I think you’re missing the point. They even address this in the post:
EFF exists to protect people’s digital rights. Not just the people who already value our work, have opted out of surveillance, or have already migrated to the fediverse. The people who need us most are often the ones most embedded in the walled gardens of the mainstream platforms and subjected to their corporate surveillance.
When the ship is sinking, there’s some value in someone staying behind to help people get off. That’s not the same as generating value for Shitter.
As for why they did decide to leave now, they explain that their posts are being viewed by significantly less people now than in the past, so there is basically nobody left to help off the sinking ship any more.
The traffic seems well ranked still. Maybe concerns of algorithmic censorship? As an example, X.com now promotes posts from premium users, and then has an extra promotion mode for premium+ users. (Normal users are now much less visible than premium users)
Ppl on Lemmy don’t get the preaching to the choir is not how you grow
an X post today receives less than 3% of the views a single tweet delivered seven years ago
the town square lmao
“Free speech absolutionist”
*abolitionist
Damn… we all should have known elon can’t spell.
What the everliving fuck were they still doing there
Trying to help people that didn’t know about the alternatives.
Not sure the best place to discuss peace and love is at a Nazi rally.
Yeah, everyone knows the key to popular Revolution is a small collection of insular ML reading groups /s
Marxist-Leninist are the most active IRL leftists. i know this to be true because they’re always saying that. i find this to be odd given that all the IRL leftists i’ve ever known are anarchists or Trotskyists. the MLs i only ever meet online tell me this is because all the leftists i’ve ever known have been feds. i’ve always found this odd, too, since the only ML i ever knew in real life was an IRS agent who turned Trotskyist after her brother was killed by a soviet agent. the MLs i only ever meet online tell me this is because i’m a fed. i find this odd, too, since so many of my friends are in hiding, in jail, or out on bail awaiting trial and i’m powerless to use any of my fed connections to do anything about this. i wish i knew what we were ivestigating. until i find out i suppose i’ll keep working to build a better world where i am however i can
It’s certainly the place that needs the message the most, though the chances anyone would listen is virtually zero.
How long do you stay on a platform before the outreach to new people is outweighed by implicit support of the platform?
It’s a tough call. It is difficult to reach out to outsiders and talk to them but it’s the only way to have a conversation with them.
People leaving Twitter now is not very impressive. Less “seeing the light” and more “Trumpgret”.
I’ll remind you that the Debian project left Twitter over a year ago. So the EFF isn’t as fast moving or comfortable with change like … Debian.
From their mastodon:
EFF exists to protect people’s digital rights. Not just the people who already value our work, have opted out of surveillance, or have already migrated to the fediverse. The people who need us most are often the ones most embedded in the walled gardens of the mainstream platforms
I will say that double posting is a completely reasonable solution. More orgs should be the gateway where they can be seen, and have the visibility of the big platforms, but they also offer Mastodon as an alternative. If enough orgs do that, it enables people to just… move.
It’s hard for users to move when 75% of their content is exclusive to X. And it’s hard for orgs to move when 75% of the users are on X. Double posting allows this to move to 10% X exclusive content, 60% content that’s available everywhere, and 10% exclusive to open platforms. After the orgs move the content, it’s so much easier for users to move, and after the users move, it’s easier for the orgs to move.
This should be a cooperative thing. And afaik it doesn’t take that much effort to post the content to two places.
That’s why people have found out recently that existing on legacy and new way better platforms is good way to get accustomed to new ones. Along with to keep bringing people in to do the same of having one foot on both sides
There are plenty of mainstream platforms to reach such people on that aren’t owned by (openly) Nazi billionaires.
Hence why this article is about them leaving the openly Nazi billionaire’s platform while remaining on other platforms that are mainstream and still provide a lot of reach :)
Exactly, and these platforms are only mainstream now, many of them had much smaller userbases before the X takeover of Twitter.
Yah, it’s the EFF, they get significant latitude from their history.
As they should.
A non-profit that fights daily for our electronic freedoms can leave X whenever they damn well please. They decided today was that day and I am perfectly fine with that.
EFF is one of the orgs I often donate to.
And the argument is sound even without appeal to authority. You’re so right!
There’s nothing wrong with preaching to Nazis. Sure, most aren’t likely to really listen, but they are the people who need to hear this most.
You don’t write people off because they’re wrong, you correct them.
More over, most of the people there are lurkers. Our comments should be directed to them.
Correcting? They can’t be saved when social networks amplify and surround them.
Unless you mean “Correcting”
Name one single mainstream (i.e. >10 million users) platform that isn’t owned by a nazi pedophile billionaire.
Yeah, that’s why I included the word ‘openly’ in there.
X is owned by a wannabe pedophile from what the Epstein files showed, so maybe X is the only one?
Zuckerberg and Gates own the only other mainstream social media sites. While the fediverse is neat, the entirety of all federated services, including the pretty failed launch of bluesky, is less than the userbase of just facebook, in just the Philippines.
And both of them are pedophiles, and while I don’t know if Gates is a nazi, Zuckerberg absolutely is.
Also reddit, I guess, u/spez is a nazi, and reddit had the longest running clearweb jailbait site in world history so…
So you’re making my point?
Oh I see, you think musk is only a wannabe pedophile. Grok says otherwise.
That was valid back in, like, 2020. Everyone who ever had an interest in leaving their gilded cage, who needed help, already had more than enough time to choose. The people who stay over there now ,are because they choose to be beyond salvation.
Sure, but advocates for prison reform don’t have to be incarcerated.
But they also should visit and be able to interact with prisons lmao.
This is not a contest to be holier than thou. It’s a numbers game.
EFF stayed on Twitter because it has a larger audience and that means a larger portion of people will see their messaging. In fact, I would argue that the people that are still on Twitter are the ones most in need of seeing those messages. The people that care about what Debian is posting are almost certainly already on Mastadon.
This is not a contest to be holier than thou.
This is the Fediverse. Everything is a contest of “holier than thou”
I feel like the EFF’s messaging is just not going to get through to anyone still on Twitter.
Remember, it’s not a fair forum; it’s an algorithm. And it’s not going to show the EFF to users who need to see it.
I feel like the EFF’s messaging is just not going to get through to anyone still on Twitter.
The problem is that the fundamental catch-22 of social networks is that the content and the users reinforce each other. Self-hating/regretting Twitter/X users exist, but they are there because there are network effects, including organizations who still also use it, they are not willing to give up. Similar organizations are there because the users are still there. And yes, I do think they still see the people they want because of follows/subscriptions, even if alt-right fascism is also being thrown into their feed by the algorithm.
It sucks so many people haven’t left yet, but that’s why every choice to leave is worth celebrating, because it breaks down the long-term network effects every time, even at the cost of short-term value to the users or orgs.
To illustrate what I mean more clearly, look at the top comments/replies for the NASA Artemis posts, as an example.
…It’s basically all conspiracy theorists, and government skeptics.
Twitter’s focusing the Artemis posts on them because it’s what they want to see, and most engaging for them.
In the EFF’s case, I’m not just talking about Musk’s influence. The algorithm will only show the EFF to users who would be highly engaged by it. E.g., angry skeptics who wouldn’t be swayed by the EFF anyway, or fans who already agree with the EFF. It’s literally not going to show the EFF to people who need to see it, as Twitter’s metrics would show it as unengaging.
This is the “false image” I keep trying to dispel. Twitter is less and less an “even spread” of exposure like people think it is, like it sort of used to be, more-and-more a hyper focused bubble of what you want to hear, and only what you want to hear. All the changes Musk is making are amplifying that. Maybe that’s fine for some orgs, but there’s no point in the EFF staying in that kind of environment, regardless of ethics.
The what you want to see is truer than u think. I’m on all the fediverse sites but still use x for sports stuff mostly. If u like a post about say wild flowers that sneaks in it feels. If u refresh suddenly its full of wildflower posts in an instant. It works so quickly.
more-and-more a hyper focused bubble of what you want to hear, and only what you want to hear
*and only what Elon Musk wants you to hear.
I was listening to a podcast (informal morning show from one of the guys who founded roosterteeth) and he talked about how he got off Twitter and Facebook and everything well before the pandemic… but has been needing to get back on them just to connect with others in his community.
Right people need to understand the algorithm is biased and the company is going to prioritize it’s world view over the average persons.
I don’t believe in Trumpgret.
Their hearts haven’t changed, they just don’t like being hated.
We are seeing this a lot with podcast/youtube people, like Alex Jones.
It doesn’t matter what they say now, they begged for him to be elected. They chose him and are responsible.
I believe first term Trumpgret to be more that they thought Trump was going to do things about [insert dumb ideology here] and he turned out to be [dumb ideology] personified, but they still believe in [dumb ideology]. Not that they regret the things he’s doing, more that this he not doing enough of.
For example, drain the swamp. They thought he was going to get rid of Democrats who they thought were the swamp. It turned out during his first term he needed some Democrat support so he met in the middle and that pissed them off and then associated him with the swamp too.
Or building the wall and making Mexico pay for it. It turns out only a small portion got built, and came from US or private (not even his) funding.
Second term Trumpgret from everyday MAGA i agree, i don’t really believe anyone truly regrets voting for him, just that they are now hated by their loved ones, and they don’t see the direct causes of them voting for him and his actions hurting their loved ones, therefore their loved ones cut off contact.
Trumpgret from the likes of Alex Jones, i believe comes from a place of they never really believed in the it from the start, they just saw the easy grift and now the easy money is to jump off the bandwagon.
Progress is progress. As any sane people would repeat: perfect is not the enemy of good.
I think sane people say the opposite - perfect is the enemy of good. OCD motherfuckers like me try to rationalize perfect as not being the enemy of good, but we are usually wrong.
About fucking time.
Progress is progress. As any sane people would repeat: perfect is not the enemy of good.
You mean perfect is the enemy of good?
Yet they stayed after the CEO of X did a Nazi salute on TV.
I have little respect for this.
I missed the “X” in that title, and read “EFF is leaving the Electronic Freedom Foundation,” and was very confused.
I do that too sometimes when I just woke up, and I’m on the toilet, and my brain isn’t on yet.
…you are still half asleep and functionally not all there yet mentally, right?
I had been at work for two hours, but yes.
………you are still half asleep and functionally not all there yet mentally, right?
Only all the time, brother. All the time.
ITT: people thinking that people already on the fediverse are the ones that the EFF needs to reach
Just call it Twitter
Well, better late than never.
Overdue
Someone tell them to make a Mastodon instance.
They don’t have their own instance as far as I know but they’re very active on mastodon.social
I’m surprised they were still there until this point. But yeah, good for them.
