Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585

Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:

Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.

Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.

I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:

Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.

Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.

I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:

It’s not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.

I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don’t want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that’s not the case in any of the communities I’ve been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.

PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
    81·
    15 hours ago

    Well, there’s a problem here. Problems

    First is that I suspect there was both a community and instance ban since the timing is more or less instant on the c/s that aren’t the one where the comment was from. You’re also tagged as being both instance and community banned in that community when viewed via browser.

    So, the extra c/s aren’t useful for PTB purposes since an instance ban does that. It comes up a lot.

    Anyway, it’s .ml, so there’s also the fact that it’s kinda like jumping into a pool you’ve seen someone pissing in, then complaining about the urine content. Yeah, there’s a lot of PTB and ptb-like modding there. However, it also tends to happen on very well known lines, so there’s a factor where making any political comment that isn’t 100% toeing the line is partially on the user. They’re absolutely zealots regarding some subjects, so if you engage on those subjects, you can’t complain much about the ban coming.

    Since it’s a temp ban, which is gentle from .ml, I’m more surprised about that than a mod there issuing a ban over a democrat defense.

    Is it still bullshit that you can get banned for an otherwise on topic and politely phrased political view on a thread under a political post? Absolutely. And you should likely block the instance and be done with them rather than engage again once the ban is over. This is regular there, and expecting otherwise just isn’t realistic.

    So, yeah, PTB. But also, your comments there amount to rage baiting for that instance, even though I don’t think that was your intent.

    • abbotsbury@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      25·
      15 hours ago

      You’re also tagged as being both instance and community banned in that community when viewed via browser.

      That cannot be true, the largest .ml community I can see, privacy@lemmy.ml, allows me to vote, post, and comment.

      your comments there amount to rage baiting for that instance

      I think that’s absurd, given the CoC. I mean, it’s clearly an “ought vs is” thing, I get that, but still a complete joke.

      • Skavau@piefed.socialEnglish
        10·
        15 hours ago

        That cannot be true, the largest .ml community I can see, privacy@lemmy.ml, allows me to vote, post, and comment.

        Instance bans don’t actually stop you from posting. It just stops the posts and comments you make there from federating out. So if you have been instance banned, whatever you post on privacy@lemmy.ml would only be visible on lemmy.world.

        Only community bans function as hard-bans, and an instance ban currently only hard bans you from communities on an instance you have posted to.

      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
        91·
        14 hours ago

        Re: absurdity. That’s why a lot of people block the whole instance. It is absurd tbh. Yeah, it’s their instance, they can do what they want, but there’s a line between making a curated and ism specific space and being zealots. They don’t just cross the line, they often stomp on it and attempt to obliterate it.

        Someone else already covered the fact that a ban doesn’t prevent all interactions, but you can visit the instance via browser and navigate to your comments. You’ll see two tags, one that says banned, the other saying something like community banned or something like that. If you’re only banned from a community, and not the instance, there’s not going to be both (afaik, but I do know that’s the explanation I’ve seen given in the past). So I wasn’t pulling it out of my ass.