Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585
Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:
Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.
Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:
It’s not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.
I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don’t want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that’s not the case in any of the communities I’ve been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.
PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.
If every election is a decision between the lesser of two evils and both evils become more evil over time then harm isn’t actually reduced in the long run.
The Democrats lost because they were genocidal. The Democrats are to blame for that, for being genocidal, not voters who refused to support genocide.
Do you want genocide? If not, you cannot in good conscious vote for a genocidal candidate. If you vote for genocide, and genocide happens, you got what you voted for.
Don’t like it? Take it up with the DNC.
Has that actually happened though? There are certainly many issues Democrats have been improving on since Clinton.
Irrelevant, I don’t care why they lost, I’m asserting that they would have been better. Thank you for your soapbox though.
Sure, but those voters are also to blame for the non-genocide issues which get worse when the Democrats lose.
This is simplistic thinking which ignores the reality of the situation. The only thing a voter can do in a general election is pick the party that more closely aligns with their values, that does not mean ALL of the party’s values are the voters, but simply the more palatable one.
So yeah, genocide sucks, but not doing your electoral part means all the extra bullshit Republicans do[1] is what you voted when you abstain.
1: since clearly the people who have problems with what I say don’t care about minorities being harassed, kidnapped, and killed, I’ll keep it simple with “doing nothing about the climate catastrophe” and “being egregiously pro-business/anti-consumer,” maybe with a side of “overwhelmingly anti-labor.”
Oh thank you for asking, I have actually.
There’s no way you can be serious. How sheltered are you?
Are you like some rich white guy who has no working class friends or something? I genuinely don’t understand.
mate. i appreciate you being open and proving that banning you was the correct choice.
who exactly began the mass deportations? how I live the free healthcare that Biden gave us instead of funding a genocide.
people like you is exactly why this nation is now a fascist shithole.
I think you might be replying to the wrong user, though OP got instance banned, so I think they can’t hear you anyways
sorry, I might have misclicked.
How sheltered are YOU? America is a conservative country and things change slowly, but they do change. Some thing have improved in my lifetime, I don’t think that’s a controversial statement. Just because capitalism hasn’t been completely overthrown yet doesn’t mean there is no change.
I’m a union rep, so not sheltered at all. I have a front row seat to the degradation of society. Things have been consistently getting worse since the '70s at least.
Sure, some things have improved, nobody is denying that. Some things have improved, but many more significant things have gotten worse. The thing is, the stuff that has improved is like +5 improvement, and the things that have gotten worse is like -100.
TVs are cheaper, but food, rent and childcare are more expensive, all relative to wages, just for an example.
I want to go back a step, and try to understand you here. What do you do for work?
Thanks for your work! I was in a union all the way up until I retired last year. They are becoming more and more rare these days, sadly.
Well, except the acceptance of queer people, of course. Women’s lib is also much more widely accepted, if we’re going that far back.
Nobody except you?
I don’t disagree.
I do unskilled labor.
Women who are being forced to be baby factories, jump through hoops to vote, must still accept “no fault” divorce (IF they can afford it) and walk away with nothing after decades of unpaid labor, physical, sexual, financial, and psychological abuse… gtfoh.
I am trying to have a good faith discussion with you here and you are literally saying I am denying something while quoting me NOT DENYING IT.
No fucking way you’re not a troll. Absolutely unbelievable.
Literally nobody in a blue collar job says this, hahahaha.
Nice try, OP, but the game is up. You’re a fucking liar.
Sorry bud you don’t get to pull “good faith” because you later admit that things have improved. If you want to have a discussion then maybe open with “yeah some things have improved” instead of denying it until it’s inconvenient. Well actually you opened with “Lmfao you are such a shitlib” so forgive me if you’ve now decided to be less of a cunt.
Sorry for not posting personal information, buddy.
So you agree that Democrats have not consistently gotten worse on every issue then? And therefore both evils are not getting more evil over time?
If you really want a good faith discussion, stop making assumptions about why I disagree with you and address my points.
Sorry to butt in but I figured I should start identifying the logical fallacies I’ve been referencing.
This is an invalid inference. Dems aren’t getting worse on every issue ≠ Dems aren’t getting more evil over time
if they want to have a conversation, they should probably find somebody with the mental capacity to actually have one.
Nah dude, why would I continue to discuss with you in good faith at this point? You are so obviously arguing in bad faith. You have no points. You are wrong. If you self-reflect, you’d KNOW you’re wrong. You know how Trump supporters refuse to confront reality because they’re so deep in denial? That’s you. 100%.
This is exactly how you get banned. You deserve it. Bad faith liar who supports fascism.
Bye bye, blue MAGA. You fascist freaks are history.