Whenever an economic argument is invoked to justify for or against doing something, it’s always a vacuous position.
Economics must be subservient to the needs of the society it exists within.
This is flat out no different than shooting someone in my book.
This is why people are behind Luigi.
It’s like the trolley problem, except on one track is somebody’s beloved father and on the other is some executive’s 5th yacht.
This situation was more complicated then that. The treatment in question was histiotripy. While it might be less invasive than traditional surgery, it isn’t necessarily “better” when dealing with stage 4 cancer that failed to respond to surgery or chemotherapy. It just uses sound waves instead of scalpels.
Realistically, this guy would have died soon regardless of the treatment. It’s unlikely the technician would have been able to identify all the cancer after it’s spread throughout his body. It’s success depends on being able to target the majority of cancer cells, which isn’t easy for Stage 4 cancer.
That’s not even the point. Trying everything possible should be the norm, and it shouldn’t be dictated by some uncaring jackass with a 35th floor office. The entire little point of health insurance is to distribute the cost of those in need amongst all of the input of the whole. If you take enough of that input as profit for the stockholders and executives, there’s less available to do what the insurance is meant to do. They’re legally embezzling the investment of the whole without providing sufficient practical benefit to warrant it.
This is why we have people like luigi
Need more actually
“People will die anyway, why give them healthcare? We are not into that business, just give us your money, you greedy little pigs”.
They kill us through fraud And theft, and are surprised that we celebrated Luigi’s deeds. The truth is they will only start to care when more of them start to drop. How many more millions need to die because of this BS before we’re ready to bring justice down on their heads as a collective class?
Everyone needs to read Billionaire’s Island.
None your society is just as complacent as the greedy sociopathic class.
I think you mean complicit. “Complacent” doesn’t make very much sense in that context.
It’s also a hollow edgy take, the likes of which would be expected from a shut-in teenager who doesn’t actually interact with people. Most Americans are exploited to the point of exhaustion, which is a little more complicated than just “they’re complicit”, and some Americans are putting in quite a lot of effort to improve the shithole country we’re from.
Have you ever had a warehouse job, or anywhere else where you can actually speak with the exploited masses? If so, did you speak to them? Have you ever spend time in real-world organizing spaces? Not talking about just going to a protest, I mean getting involved with the people in your community who you’re accusing of being complicit. (PSL doesn’t count.)
And yet it is often by law that people have to have insurance that pays them nothing when the time comes.
It is nothing short of robbery.
I wouldn’t use the word “robbery”.
I’d use the word “murder”.
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“Some advice I learned early in my career, if I may? It is not what you kill, but who you kill that matters in the end. So… get out there and kill someone… special.”
Plenty of honest people working there just trying to make ends meet who are on the same shitty insurance plans we are.
This is how the West develops suicide bombers
it’s also how we get luigi
No no, there’s no reason for you to blow yourself up! This is the west… we have guns.
What’s ironic is that the big opposition from the GOP to ObamaCare was this ludicrous idea of “Death Panels” weighing human life against budgets.
And yet, when the panels are a dictatorial insurance algorithm, where is that classic 2009-2010 outrage?
Every accusation is a confession with Republicans
The panels are often just an automated script that always replies with Denied the first time too, since people sometimes dont fight it.
You probably already know but, those arguments aren’t why the GOP were outraged. It’s what they thought would be most likely to get the public outraged.
“the public” seems dumb as fuck.
Yes, you can blame the GOP for defunding education as well.
(I have exactly zero love for the Zionazi-owned Dems either but I’m not aware of them ever defunding education)
The public is way less intelligent than “dumb as fuck” hopefully we can get there on the way to marginally dumb. But I doubt it
Approximately 45,000 Americans are murdered due to the lack of health insurance. In addition, contributing factors, from the piss poor US healthcare system, leads to over 200,000 deaths annually. WTF USA and you’re worried about the price of fucking fuel for your pick-up trucks! Vote for the few politicians that will cap the damn medical expenses, regulate the health industry properly and socialize medicine. If not, it will get worse.
We don’t need no water,…
Per KFF, the late Tennant was insured by the Public Employees Insurance Agency of West Virginia, which partners with UnitedHealthcare.
The family should get back every penny they’ve paid to that insurance company.
What the fuck are they paying them for?
Not to have a tax penalty. Also the privilege to be told no. There are people literally dying to have insurance that will also tell them no
It’s also designed to keep people dependent on their employers. You land a salaries position at a company that provides one of the few decent healthcare plans in the US, and suddenly you’ll put up with a lot of shit to keep that job…
It’s cheaper to pay cash than use insurance. But for the last decade in my state it’s required to have it you get penalized.
My plan is for kiaser HMO. And its 36k/yr.
The cash price for a baby, 3 day stay everything included is 20k. A doctor’s visit is $50 dollars. A xray is $150. And say i wanted weight loss drugs like ozemic every month for $700/month. I could have a child, be medicated by experimental weight loss drugs, get an xray every month, and have a personal relationship with my doctor they month and it would still be cheaper than paying for insurance.
That’s why they require it, your premium helps pay for other people who can’t pay. But if you are paying for it, you are getting screwed hard.
Until you need surgery and it’s 400k. For clarity insurance is a scam. Not going without it in today’s climate is taking a massive risk, though
Total scam. Shouldn’t exist. I hate it.
American style health insurance is a scam. I pay around 600 euros a month in Germany, for me and two kids, and there’s no such thing as “copay”. Delivering a baby costed us about 8 euros in parking fees. This is a private company offering insurance, there’s no single payer in Germany. Other European and Asian countries do have single payer, with similar costs (the contribution is then a tax instead of insurance payment). It’s the American “five yachts per CEO” model that causes problems.
If you could predict everything perfectly then that’s fine. What if instead of a normal delivery, you needed a week in the NICU? Then that $20k quickly becomes $100k.
And it would still be cheaper for me with cash. Over 20 years, that insurance will cost be 700k.
In that time, I’ve had 2 kids, 4 bad sicknesses that required medical visits, 4 xrays, and MRI, antibiotics, my kid needed a leg cast, and my wife had p.depression after one kid.
I would be out ahead 500k if i paid cash vs insurance. That a house.
Again, in America, until literally anything happens. I’ve seen 7 figure bills hit ridiculously quick.
It’s cheaper to pay cash than use insurance.
Yes, for most people, in most years. But the cost of health care tends to be very, very unevenly distributed. A person might see medical bills of less than $1000 per year for 20 years and then get a single $1,000,000 year. So at that point, it’s an annualized cost of $50,000 per year, even if most years it’s about $1,000. Some estimates are that 10-30% of all medical spending in the US is in the last year of life.
Many believe that because of this distribution, health insurance should primarily be a catastrophic care model where most people pay a premium that doesn’t cover anything for the first few thousand, then covers a percentage of the cost up to the out of pocket maximum of like $15,000 or so for a family, but does cover everything after that. For a typical household, being able to predict annual healthcare expenses for the entire year is very useful.
And personally, I’m pretty sympathetic to this catastrophic care model as a short term transition to an all payer model that looks like Switzerland’s system (private insurance, private providers, mandatory coverage, strict price controls, and subsidies for anyone who can’t afford the normal premiums).
