• saltesc@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I mean, they invented a religion that places them as God’s chosen people, with a history of genocides and claiming regions backed up by that god. They wrote their stories as the victors and somehow still manage to sound like the bad guys.

    Psychopathy was probably rife in the 12’tribes and I wouldn’t be surprised if it started with their dad, Jacob the maid fucker. Actually, probably his granddad, Abraham, the guy willing to kill his son to please god.

    Either way, it’s been like this for centuries and don’t expect the country to suddenly change any time soon. The divine claim to the “land of milk and honey” has been their long-time casus belli for annihilating entire cities and civilisations + now with US protection!

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        23 hours ago

        That’s a very ignorant take on history, attempting to disconnect modern day Israel from the Israelites of which also comes Judaism from Israel’s son, Judah and that tribe. Though, this has nothing to do with the religion specifically beyond its ideological influence of history.

        You never thought as to why the modern state of Israel came to exist as it does? Restoration of 900 BC Israel? It was only later Israel would fall to the Assyrians. Then Judah to the Babylonians. The Canaanites at this point were way gone, Amon, Moab, etc., so the Israelites, as the tribes of Israel, were without homeland. No Israel, no Judah, nothing.

        Then the Romans, then the English, blah, blah, blah. Suddenly it’s the 1940s…

        The British administrative mandate of Palestine—as the British empire just did with little regions all over the world—is coming to an end so they put the proposal to the UN. II’s no Kingdom of Judah as well, where Jerusalem formerly was, but most of the landmass is central to the former Kingdom of Israel which was historically more prosperous and “the big one” anyway. Apart from this, it had nothing to do with America. The proposal itself had already been cooking for 30 years prior and the British were happy to execute it with UN agreeance. At times it was looking to go forward before WW2 was even a thing.

        Your last statement is just entirely wrong, but it sounds catchy to anyone that’s never looked at the history.

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      I mean, they invented a religion that places them as God’s chosen people

      Can you name a single religion whose creators didn’t?

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        20 hours ago

        Buddhism. Gnostic Christianity. Hinduism. Probably a whole bunch more, I’m no theologian.

        The hideousflaw in the post you’re replying to isn’t that, though. It’s the idea that Israel invented Judaism, that Judaism is a monolith, that Israel is run on Jewish lines, and that Jews everywhere look to Israel for leadership.

        That’s some fucked-up thinking there. That thinking sucks.

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          Buddhism

          The ones who believe the only way to reach Nirvana is to follow the rigid steps of the Budda and no one else can enter?

          A little bit of a stretch, and they have a different idea for “god” but it’s the same general idea, just no personification

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            If you meet the Buddha on the road to enlightenment, kill him.

            Does that sound like following the rigid steps of the Buddha is a tenet of Buddhism?

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        I think most don’t, and even in Judaism it’s the more ethno-nationalist (i.e. Zionist) adherents that believe it. Christian nationalists and evangelicals do, but I don’t think Protestants or Catholics do. And outside of Abrahamic religions, like Hinduism, at most it’s kind of a “we’re right you’re wrong but idgaf”, unless again you’re getting into Hindu ethno-nationalism, but then the religion is just an excuse for facism and genocide, which brings us back around again.