Small Government and Individual Accountability, puh-raise JEE-zuz-ah!
Nation of demons.
My parents moved to Cleveland, Ohio when I was 10, so I did not spring from the Ohio gene pool, I just grew up there. From the moment I arrived in Ohio, I knew those weirdos were a completely different breed.
Bullies were rampant, and proud, defiant stupidity was the default mentality. They have a collective chip on their shoulder because they know they suck, and they hate it, but they have to pretend they’re as good as anywhere, but deep down they know they’re not. Ohio is very cop friendly, and the cops are the most predatory I’ve encountered across America. The government is hopelessly corrupt from top to bottom, but not in an organized professional way, like in Florida, but in a ridiculous hillbilly way.
If Ohio was human, they’d be a self-loathing degenerate drunk, sobbing into their beer.
I left 25 years ago, and have never been back. I only miss The Cleveland Orchestra, the Art Museum, and couple of good restaurants, but literally nothing else, especially the shitty weather.
Ohio truly sucks, even Ohioans know it.
I grew up in ohio from a similar age, but had a lot of family there, and my experience is similar but different. I experienced a profoundly divided state. Good hardworking people, some of whom I’m proud to call family both by birth and found, but also the bullies you mention. I slowly watched the bullies start winning more and more until last year my wife and I had to leave as the state became too hostile to us.
I love where we moved and never want to go back, but I do miss a lot about Ohio, but largely I miss what it could have become. Though I also miss the weather, love me a Midwestern storm. Also my favorite bar is still there, and I love quite a lot about the 3Cs.
And yeah the chip on their shoulders is real. So many people feel stuck there. Ohio sucks and every ohioan knows it and jokes about it, but it used to not suck as bad. It still has good in it. It just gave up on improving when the jobs left. So many feel they can’t even attempt to get out. The despair is real, the feeling of failure and like they’re being judged for it is real, and the lashing out because of it is real.
Totally valid. There’s a reason that the Cleveland Browns has the most out-of-town fan clubs than any other team - because so many people LEAVE.
I’m from the Boston area and as a kid we took a road trip to Sandusky for Cedar Point (Summer 2002ish). Driving through NE Ohio is still to this day, the most “white” poverty I’ve ever seen. We stopped at a local diner and I swear it felt like I was in a war zone. Everyone was miserable and shuffled around; the food was awful. Everything was fucking dirty or broken. I can’t believe that it’s supposedly gotten worse there over the past few decades.
Yep, Ohio can best be described as Mediocre Shabby.
I recall hearing once that Ohio was the most “average” state in the Union. The way you described it seems to fit that quite well.
It really is, though the republican gerrymandering and subsequent brain drain, did shift it to the right of the average American
Are you saying it’s an inherently immoral idea to have for profit healthcare, much less for-profit eldercare?
If only there were literally centuries of fucking historical record and historical fiction on exactly why charging for healthcare destroys societies.
What is the alternative? These people live in high cost care facilities on the taxpayer’s dime for 10-20 years?
My mother and grandmother were both in full time care facilities for the last 5-10 years of their lives. They cost 10-20K a month, or 120-200K a year. Social security only pays about 2K a month, and medicare doesn’t cover long term care, only short term care.
Medicaid does cover long term care, but only after the person is completely broke. And many facilities won’t take it because the payments are so low that they can’t cover basic costs.
Y’all act like it’s ‘so easy’ but these problems persist even in countries where healthcare is nationalized. The demand for healthcare resources is simple vast out supplies care that is available, especially as the population ages. Hence in ‘affordable’ healthcare systems you are still undeserved and it’s still expensive.
That’s compiled by the fact healthcare workers, while in demand, and often getting good pay, burn out rapidly due to the demands of the job.
Healthcare was great 40-50 year ago because people died young and medical technology was infantile. Now we can keep people alive on machines for decades, but it costs boatloads of money to do this, and we dont’ live in a world of infinite resources. There are only so many beds, and so many staff that can work in these facilities.
These people live in high cost care facilities on the taxpayer’s dime for 10-20 years?
First, yes. Presumably they worked a full life and contributed to the taxes, it’s their dime. Second, these people?
They cost 10-20K a month, or 120-200K a year
No they don’t. That’s what they cost in the exploitative private for profit system.
The demand for healthcare resources is simple vast out supplies care that is available, especially as the population ages. Hence in ‘affordable’ healthcare systems you are still undeserved and it’s still expensive.
That’s true, but not an issue of cost. It results in expensive private care, but the issue itself is the lack is labor, not that each patient costs $20k/month.
That’s compiled by the fact healthcare workers, while in demand, and often getting good pay, burn out rapidly due to the demands of the job.
That’s another real problem, but it’s again irrelevant. It exists regardless of how socialized or privatized the system is…
Now we can keep people alive on machines for decades
Is that what you think happens in elderly care? Every patient receives terminal care for decades?
There are only so many beds, and so many staff that can work in these facilities.
You can fix that by better planning your economy, encourage students to pursue nursing and guarantee them jobs when they graduate.
Whatever the case, there are loads of “alternatives” to dropping them off at homeless shelters we can explore. Holy moly.
You realize the laborers in these facilities don’t make very good pay, right? If they want better pay, that increases costs.
If we eliminate the profit margin and the layers of office jobs needed to work through complex insurance obstacles and to come up with great ideas like dropping patients off at homeless shelters when their insurance doesn’t pay, we can pay the remaining staff doing meaningful labor more.
If the CEO is buying yachts and mansions, there is no luck of money to pay staff, there’s lack of intent.
I just want to say good for you for trying to reason with someone like that
OK, so why do those same issues persists in nationalized systems then? Or do they still suffer from the ‘profit motive’?
Your argument seems to hinge on the idea that it’s a matter of emotion or will, rather than physical and economic resources.
You can pay them more, but that increases costs. The single biggest cost is the labor staffing.
They don’t, not even close to the level of dumping residents off at homeless shelters. Hell all the issues I have seen are mostly due to a lack of funding and having a “hybrid” system (and can you guess that the for profit side is the issue?).
And at least here the jobs at most elder care pay well. Lots of little towns have the “lodge” as the main employer.
Let the weak die, that’s very Christian. I’m sure Jesus smiles on it.
I’m not Christian.
No, and with the lack of humanity, and understanding of economics, I’d say you’re barely fucking human mate. Sometimes it’s best just to shut the fuck up.
You have nothing of substance or merit to say, so you just grand stand at the idea of your own heroism while hurling insults and casting anyone who points out the complexity/difficult of this issue is a nazi… lol
You posture a lot. Probably to make up for your own fear and shame that you know deep down you’d be the one tossing grandma on the curb rather than having to deal with the burden of changing her diapers, or paying someone else to do it.
Like dare I ask what you think about long term care for the permanently disabled? I’m kind of thinking your lack of understanding of economics has pushed you into some Nazi ideologies.
What is the alternative?
I don’t have a comprehensive reform plan up my sleeve, but I am pretty sure there’s a better alternative than dumping the elderly out on the street in front of a shelter. I mean, we don’t even think that’s OK to do to a dog.
What is the alternative? These people live in high cost care facilities on the taxpayer’s dime for 10-20 years?
Yes. For fuck’s sake yes. I don’t understand how Americans are the most evil people in the world so consistently. Even Israelis, of whom 80% support a genocide, understand that healthcare is a public service.
My mother and grandmother were both in full time care facilities for the last 5-10 years of their lives. They cost 10-20K a month, or 120-200K a year. Social security only pays about 2K a month, and medicare doesn’t cover long term care, only short term care.
No, it didn’t ‘cost’ that much. Over half of all healthcare costs are admin fees. As in non-healthcare related administration. That’s without mentioning the fact the highest single cost in American healthcare is pharmaceuticals, which are priced in the US at 500-15,000% profit margin. This is not true IN THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD.
Y’all act like it’s ‘so easy’ but these problems persist even in countries where healthcare is nationalized. The demand for healthcare resources is simple vast out supplies care that is available, especially as the population ages. Hence in ‘affordable’ healthcare systems you are still undeserved and it’s still expensive.
There is a difference between ‘oh you’ll have to wait a month to get seen for your chronic, but ultimately harmless condition’ and ‘if your dementia laden grandmother runs out of money we’re going to dump her on the streets so she dies faster.’
If you cannot see that different, you are not a good person. Not on the inside.
Healthcare was great 40-50 year ago because people died young and medical technology was infantile. Now we can keep people alive on machines for decades.
Healthcare has literally never been better. Ever. In countries outside the US it has never been more accessible in human history. It has never been better staffed in human history, it has never produced better outcomes in human history.
US healthcare is CENTURIES behind other countries, and that’s not an exaggeration. The entire concept of medical bankruptcy is a uniquely American idea in the 21st century, something only experienced by Americans, and hopefully will only ever be experienced by Americans ever again.
Yes, I’m a terrible person because I acknowledge the world is finite and limited. I’d rather be terrible and live in reality, than assume resources are infinite and it’s just a ‘moral’ issue. As if tomorrow if we just all magically ‘became’ good people all our problems would be solved…
The majority of Euro nations healthcare systems are imploding, even under their lower cost structures. Including eastern europe where costs are far lower. For the same reasons, too much need, too few resources to go around, and rapidly rising costs.
You can grandstand all you want, and I’m glad it makes you feel superior, but some of us live in a the real world with real economic and physical constraints, and most healthcare workers and facilities are doing the best they can with what they have. Or are they all terrible people too? Should healthcare workers just work for free or something?
Bro, no. They’re not. You literally fell for propaganda. As in its demonstrably false, and it was made by billionaires to try to get the UK to privatize healthcare (and stop the M4A movement in the US).
Healthcare is not expensive, what is expensive is CEO’s salaries and insurance.
oh, and what i should just believe your propaganda? All you are telling me is how I am ‘feeling wrong’.
Healthcare is the single largest expense in most government budgets, after pension obligations.
you seem under the impression that healthcare costs can just be magically disappeared…
No. Healthcare is not the single largest expense in most government budgets. Just the US.
No. Healthcare systems are not collapsing due to cost.
No. Healthcare is not inherently expensive. It’s just the US.
No. Healthcare is not an ‘expense’ it is an investment. Without a healthy society you have a failed society.
Practically every single developed or near-developed country has gotten public healthcare correct.
It is the US and a handful of other developing countries that do not have a system in place, primarily due to unstable governments, warlords, and or being a colony not allowed to develop its own public services.
Weird, then why can i google headlines about UK, france, germany, all facing these same issues? Staffing shortages, hospitals closing, a lack of rural and a lack of eldery care. etc. These issues simple don’t exist?
Might be that you’re cherry picking your facts… to suit your narrative.
Also weird that I have friends/family in Canada who also deal with these same issues, including not be able to afford care… WEIRD
And they have to be completely completely broke. They take everything. So either you lose everything or just give all your money to eldercare. Its quite heartbreaking, my wife is in long term care. Its quite standard protocol to dump people in homeless shelters if they cant pay. Even if something is going to kick in soon and they’ll be able to pay soon enough, a one month lapse and youre out. I could write all kinds of stuff about this.
Sounds about right
They threw that lady out for drinking a beer in her nursing home. A beer! God forbid you try to have a little joy at the end of your life. STAY IN BED YOU INCONTINENT FUCK!!
Isn’t it already bad enough that they’re in Ohio? Cruel and unusual punishment
They talked about a guy who was in a nursing home for 22 years, couldn’t hardly see and had no identification information on him (I suppose his meds had his name, but no ID, Birth Certificate and such) but they said that leaves him no way to get a job or housing.
How the fuck would someone who couldn’t work for the last 22 years suddenly be able to get a job? If his insurance stopped paying and that’s why they kicked him it isn’t like someone can just go rent a place to live either, they need proof of income, which he wouldn’t ever be able to get. Well and truly fucked out system is
Oh the main story for this article is about a woman named “Patient #83” who was of unknown age, diabetic, broken ankle, and dementia.
“The staff member [said] Resident #83 was unclear of what was going on, scared, and not sure who dropped her off there,”
She’s missing according to the article. Wandered off somewhere.
Holy fuck that’s sad
Thats my retirement plan!
Yours too, if youve stopped lying to yourself.
“Missing”, hmm? I wonder what on earth could have possibly happened.
Im sure its fine and i dont need to think about it anymore.
Don’t forget they kicked her out because she was drinking a beer. A grown ass woman in what is effectively her home had a beer, the horror.
And let’s just assume it’s okay for that to be against the rules, she has dementia. She’s going to break the rules.
How did she get the beer? Sounds like bullshit
Exactly what I was wondering. If she’s unable to travel on her own, then either a guest or an employee got her that beer. Instead of investigating and taking appropriate measures against whoever provided her with contraband, they kicked her out? Absolutely absurd.
That beer didn’t materialize on its own. If someone’s supplying beer to residents, that sounds like an issue worth looking into.
Not to mention she has dementia! Even if she somehow got it on her own, she suffers from, “I don’t know what’s going on right now!” So how is she supposed to follow the rules?
