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If we are going to eschew open source projects from shitty tech companies, then there’s a pretty long list.
“Quietly™” by posting about it beforehand everywhere they could.
a default-disabled prototype
No wonder it didn’t show up in normal/enduser release notes.
This article suggests you have to disabled Enhanced Tracking Protection to test it. Does it replace that entire system with an equivalent system?
I’ll wait until it’s stable and productive.
Cool.
Still sticking with uBlock and SponsorBlock (skips all the “this video was sponsored by” segments on YouTube).
Add DeArrow in there as well (anti-clickbait)
SponsorBlock
I believe uBlock manages to remove all ads on yt by tickling the subscription of some list bundled in its installation already
SponsorBlock skips past the video segments which contain sponsored advertisement. There’s no overlap with what uBlock does.
SponsorBlock is not cool. This is the main revenue source of creators.
Adblock on the other hand in a cancer in youtube and has to go.
Skipping the sponsored segment doesn’t net the creator less money. They’re paid before the video gets uploaded, or at worst by view count iirc.
Sponsors don’t see if you skipped their ad segment.
Sure they do.
Sure they do.
How, exactly, do they see that?
That’s cool, take the good part of Brave, leave behind the villainous CEO and dodgy crypto scams
I used brave for a while. Recently switched to zen browser to try some better tab management. But despite all braves issues, it’s ad/tracker blocking was always very good imo. I think it will be a good addition to Firefox.
I don’t think you can separate a product from their CEO
In the Open Source world you can always fork.
Why did they not just set ublock as a default installed plugin?
Because the performance of brave lib is a little better since it doesn’t go through the plugin API
So should you use this now? Or keep uBlock origin? Or enable both for maximum protection?
it’s up to you which one you wanna use, I’ll keep using uBlock origin (both is overkill, you only need one for blocking ads)
Is it? Like YouTube is less laggy with that? Thats the only situation where i see actual delays by adblocking
Yes, it is. No, the delays on Youtube don’t come from the performance of the adblocking code, so you won’t notice many differences. But more efficient adblocking is good for everyone - noticeably more so on devices with batteries, but still helpful for everyone.
How incredible i think I’ll start using Firefox again as it’s becoming better i just wish they would create their own email service already.
Very soon ! https://www.tb.pro/en-GB/
Where it stores all the data? USA? Or some Big Tech cloud?
Of course they just had to make it somewhat contreversial by adopting braves adblock engine; brave’s ceo or whatever funds anti gay lobbyists.
People when open source:
Bruh everything is funded by some sort of criminal. Jeffery Epstein could have donated to the Mozilla foundation for all we know. You literally cannot tell.
That’s a very convenient position that absolves you from any responsibility to do anything. Convenient, but I don’t think correct.
As u/TBi said in the comments
People won’t pay for anything, and are then surprised by who actually pays for stuff.
Brave is also backed by Peter Thiel.
Brave is also backed by Peter Thiel.
First I’ve heard of that. Source?
His foundation has invested in it per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)
People won’t pay for anything, and are then surprised by who actually pays for stuff.
These developers need to eat too.
Just wait till you find out who funds Firefox.
Could it be… Satan?
It’s Google. So…… yes.
That’s a good thing.
Brave’s native adblock is the best.
uBlock is better
Yeah we have to second this, unlock is way better in our experience
are you plural?
Yeah lol
It’s gonna slip eventually so we stopped giving a shit on not using plural pronouns
Does that mean yall is a correct pronoun?
We do like that pronoun :3 But we’re a simple She/they 90% of the time
yet your username remains singular, curious \s
LMAO touché!
It’s actually related to a fursona (character) we use to help project emotions and self. Though because of DID there are so many different variants and versions it’s hard to keep up even though we all collectively made the character. Hell some of them aren’t even a dog but a human and others- non living (?) <idk personally, I only added the glasses hehe. -pj>
Huh, right after Waterfox started to implement it themselves. Must have spooked Mozilla. I don’t see how using Brave’s adblock engine is all that different from uBlock Origin though since they both just enforce DNS lists, right? Could be wrong, I know nothing about how adblocking works on the backend, lol
DNS blocking, like with a Pihole, famously does not remove Youtube ads. So no, the mechanism is totally different.
the brave one doesnt block as good as ublock origin.
Firefox actually started developing it first, and Waterfox caught on and decided to piggyback off of it in a relatively small announcement at the bottom of a retrospective. The Waterfox announcement just got reported on first.
DNS lists?
Fuck no brother (or sister or non-binary sibling)Anyway. You can go as far as modifying the HTML page by overriding CSS rules.
Overrode the font on a page I am using at work because the vendor is apparantly not using their own product and the font is fucking tiny in some places.
You can override elements, dynamically remove with a selector wildcard, DNS blocks or subscribe to blocklists that can do all of it.Just for clarification, but do you mean you can automate that stuff? Because FF already has debug tools built in that lets you edit the HTML or CSS of the page however you want, but it’s only for the current session. I’d occasionally use that before realizing I could just use reader mode for sites that did client side html5 bs for access control. Just go in and delete nodes using the picker tool. Until the annoying thing is gone.
I’ve never really played around with ublock’s capabilities, though did know that it must have been more sophisticated than just dns lists to stay in the arms race vs youtube (as well as why google was pushing “security features” that would kill it).
You could also use tools like greasemonkey to change the website more permanently
Just for clarification, but do you mean you can automate that stuff?
Yes.
uBlock at its core is really just a scripting system for replacing CSS content using certain rules.
The most common usage is to remove content you don’t like, but really it can manipulate things in a zillion different ways, many of the more advanced features are only available to the user and not larger block lists for security reasons.
A built-in ad blocker is easily the least problematic announcement coming out of Mozilla in the last year.
Lol, yes.
I said it for Waterfox and I’m gonna say it again for Firefox: this is good. At worst, it’s just fine (Mozilla just uses it internally to replace or supplement its old and incomplete Tracker Blocking system, which never gets the same scrutiny).
The biggest difference between Firefox and Waterfox in implementation is the WaterFox developers noticed this FF change early, and committed to providing full-fledged ad blocking out of the box, which is great news for users.
A few more reasons this is good:
- Rust is faster than JavaScript
- Native functionality is faster than an extension
- Actual ad blocking is something Firefox users have been begging Mozilla to do
Rust is faster than JavaScript
isn’t ublock’s filtering compiled to webassembly?
Actual ad blocking is something Firefox users have been begging Mozilla to do
seems a bit dangerous though to risk for a browser with so small market share
Rust is faster than JavaScript
isn’t ublock’s filtering compiled to webassembly?
The slow thing usually is the DOM manipulation anyways.
isn’t ublock’s filtering compiled to webassembly?
From my unprofessional glance ar their repository, it uses a little, but not much. Take a look at their code; all or most of the filtering is done in JavaScript, the webassembly appears to be just
onetwo modules. (It’s in the “wasm” folder near the top of the list).(Edit: I was looking at outdated code; the newer version uses more, but IMO pales in comparison to the JavaScript filtering logic)
seems a bit dangerous though to risk for a browser with so small market share
Waterfox has a much smaller market share and much smaller budget, and was able to clear this with search partners just by promising not to block ads on them by default.
Waterfox has a much smaller market share and much smaller budget, and was able to clear this with search partners just by promising not to block ads on them by default.
my point is not actually about search providers, but more generally websites intentionally breaking support for gecko based browsers. waterfox itself is too little, most developers don’t even know about it I think. but firefox is the flagship/reference gecko browser, with more of a measurable number of users. if they implement a good ad blocker in the base browser, that could discourage advertising related sites from serving/supporting this browser.
brave is different in that it uses chromium, which the sites just happen to support already because of chrome. but firefox support is often not a priority even today
firefox support is often not a priority even today
Dunno if I can name a time it was ;)
I guess it might be a priority for Mozilla sometimes
It was 16 years ago
:’(
especially using a brave adblocker, which i noticed doesnt block most ads, and likely whitelists some of them.
that probably depends on the blocklists used, like with ublock
seems a bit dangerous though to risk for a browser with so small market share
They should have built it in years ago, but called it “web security filtering” or something and included only a basic security blocklist, but left it easy to add other lists.
still it wasn’t blocking ads, and even I as a poweruser was not aware that I could add externally maintained ad blocklists
Using technology from a known crypto scamming developer is not good.
Using entirely unrelated ad blocking technology is bad for what reason?
You can feel free to moralize, but be consistent: Mozilla bought an NFT company to integrate their code into Firefox, and that’s not the only skeleton in their closet.
I mean what’s wrong with buying a company to access it proprietary code. NFTs were a dumb grift, but if the specific software product they offered was sound what’s the issue?
If the code was good, nothing would be wrong with it. It would be even better if the code was free. And that’s my point.
(In Mozilla’s case, it’s actually much worse because they bought private customer data along with the technology and then canned the technology while keeping the data, but that’s a different story.)
Oh they have a whole cemetery of a city in the basement.
Still doeant excuse it IMO.
Does it need an excuse? It’s a good change. If you have a reason to dislike it, please provide one.
I can hate more than one of Mozilla’s decisions.
Zewm forgot to have a reason. Do you have one?
At worst, it’s just fine (Mozilla just uses it internally to replace or supplement its old and incomplete Tracker Blocking system, which never gets the same scrutiny).
I think you’re right but I’m sure they can fuck it up a lot worse than that if they really want to. AI ad detection? Sponsored blocking? New RCE pathways?
I think its much more likely than not a step forward, and I welcome the change, but recent Mozilla decisions have me watching closely.
My faith in Mozilla has dimmed a whole lot over the past few years, but if they feel like making Firefox worse, I don’t think they need to do it this way. More code does mean more vulnerabilities, but that hasn’t stopped them from adding a half dozen other features that could have been extensions. This one could actually be beneficial, as it would cut down on the performance requirements for users, especially mobile ones.
As long as it doesn’t interfere with Ublock Origin I guess that’s fine.
It’s not enabled by default.
So… no news
Until they enable it
Quietly
The developer made this change from a personal laptop at their local public library.
Shhhhhh.
Despite this trope, public libraries usually don’t have a guideline or enforcement on noise levels.
But the developer was definitely using silent tactile switches.
Maybe not in Canada but every library in Asia has
It would be really nice too if they implemented Brave’s fingerprint randomization, which is obviously not perfect and I’m never going to expect Tor like anonymity, but is far better than most other browsers. Where Mullvad and Tor try to make everyone look the same, Brave randomizes nearly every important fingerprint.
And I know Firefox does this pretty well already, but from the research I did, Brave’s fingerprint vector randomization is another level.
Fuck no. I don’t want Brave stuff in my browser :(
The cool thing about open source is that you can just take it without selling your soul.
Long live the hard fork!
Although I expect there are limits.
i noticed it allowed one to evade reddits fingerprinting filters temporarily. so it was useful for a month when i was using that browser.
