My partner is an AFAB enby and is struggling to get surgery for ovarian removal. They had a partial hysto a few years before we met. Before they had that surgery, while single and not wanting to have 48 day periods anymore, several male doctors delayed it because “Well what if your future husband wants kids? You’re going to deprive him of that?”
They never wanted kids. We’ve been married 8 years, we’re never having kids. My partner was sexually assaulted in high school. When she reported it, the male principle asked them “Well, what were you wearing?” They were sitting in front of him in a baggy sweater and track pants.
PC’s take in this comic is a turn of reality. Men genuinely do talk to women like this. They don’t take their health serious. They’re over reacting or emotional. It’s all in your head.
Any man who sees this comic and takes offence to it, congratulations, you’re the fucking problem.
Are those phrases in the comic based on real comments that some men tell women? Absolutely.
Panel 2 is also very similar to how men get treated when having been robbed or sexually assaulted by a woman.
Panels 3 & 4 just straight up apply to what men get told. Different phrasing to what you’d expect but the exact same result.
If you haven’t experienced it then that is awesome for you. I’m not going to focus on anecdotes here or we could be here all week and this isn’t a pissing match of who has it worse.
Someone starving on the other side of the planet wouldn’t make my hunger any better would it?
Recognising that there is a degree of shared experience here is far healthier for everyone and statements like this
Any man who sees this comic and takes offence to it, congratulations, you’re the fucking problem.
When you have zero knowledge of what someone else has experienced is only going to push them away and make their future reactions more extreme.
There is a growing divide between young men and women driven by online vitriol. It helps no one.
These experiences are all rooted in sexism and it negatively affects both men and women to differing degrees, sometimes under similar circumstances.
Nuance and understanding are far more difficult than knee-jerk rage but it is important to try.
I see where PC is coming from, but she has a blind spot for the things men hear, because she isn’t a man and hasn’t got that lived experience.
So it’s a bad take not because it’s factually wrong that women hear these things but because it is tone deaf to the fact that men get told shit like this every day.
Again… it’s not a pissing match. Having it worse doesn’t invalidate another person’s problems.
The comic received a lot of hateful, abusive comments, like people saying they hope the artist is raped…
… and some reasonable responses pointing out that re panel 3 that is exactly how people (men and women) often react to men trying to share about their mental health
And re panel 2 (rape/robbery metaphor aside) male rape survivors are often not believed, told they should have been able to defend themselves, and in the case of female-on-male rape told they are lucky and should be grateful, that getting sex is always a good thing for a man.
She responded to these comments badly, in particular belittling several male SA survivors who shared about their experiences.
The reasonable comments were kinda lost in a sea of abuse, so I understand her overreacting to an extent
And she more or less made an apology comic next week, where I appreciate the sentiment even if the dialogue is quite on-the-nose:
Except you’re the one making the claims. My concern is that maybe I’ve seen the comics and not caught the problematic tone, which would actually mean I’m not equally capable of finding the problematic works.
I’m being flat out, 100% honest with you, pal: I am not going to go scroll through her dogshit posts to find all the problematic ones and then bring them here for you to see. That is not going to happen.
And that’s not even the worst one, she made another post doubling down about it later but that one may have been scrubbed from any decent corner of the internet.
She apparently also draws rape porn.
Saved you from typing like at most 8 words, hitting a button, and clicking once or twice.
That comic seems to be a hypothetical take on what it would be like if women treated some men the same way some men treated women. Basically a role-reversal.
It doesn’t look like there’s
anything wrong with it at all.
Can you link to some of these comics?
https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1dpptkk/talk/
Seems to be referenced fairly often by her detractors.
I’ve commented elsewhere that I think it’s a bad take.
Decide for yourself.
As a man, this comic is 100% accurate.
My partner is an AFAB enby and is struggling to get surgery for ovarian removal. They had a partial hysto a few years before we met. Before they had that surgery, while single and not wanting to have 48 day periods anymore, several male doctors delayed it because “Well what if your future husband wants kids? You’re going to deprive him of that?”
They never wanted kids. We’ve been married 8 years, we’re never having kids. My partner was sexually assaulted in high school. When she reported it, the male principle asked them “Well, what were you wearing?” They were sitting in front of him in a baggy sweater and track pants.
PC’s take in this comic is a turn of reality. Men genuinely do talk to women like this. They don’t take their health serious. They’re over reacting or emotional. It’s all in your head.
Any man who sees this comic and takes offence to it, congratulations, you’re the fucking problem.
Are those phrases in the comic based on real comments that some men tell women? Absolutely.
Panel 2 is also very similar to how men get treated when having been robbed or sexually assaulted by a woman.
Panels 3 & 4 just straight up apply to what men get told. Different phrasing to what you’d expect but the exact same result.
If you haven’t experienced it then that is awesome for you. I’m not going to focus on anecdotes here or we could be here all week and this isn’t a pissing match of who has it worse.
Someone starving on the other side of the planet wouldn’t make my hunger any better would it?
Recognising that there is a degree of shared experience here is far healthier for everyone and statements like this
When you have zero knowledge of what someone else has experienced is only going to push them away and make their future reactions more extreme.
There is a growing divide between young men and women driven by online vitriol. It helps no one.
These experiences are all rooted in sexism and it negatively affects both men and women to differing degrees, sometimes under similar circumstances.
Nuance and understanding are far more difficult than knee-jerk rage but it is important to try.
I see where PC is coming from, but she has a blind spot for the things men hear, because she isn’t a man and hasn’t got that lived experience.
So it’s a bad take not because it’s factually wrong that women hear these things but because it is tone deaf to the fact that men get told shit like this every day.
Again… it’s not a pissing match. Having it worse doesn’t invalidate another person’s problems.
Found one.
Much like I’m disappointed with PizzaCake’s comic I’m disappointed that this is your response.
There was really only one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1dpptkk/talk/
The comic received a lot of hateful, abusive comments, like people saying they hope the artist is raped…
… and some reasonable responses pointing out that re panel 3 that is exactly how people (men and women) often react to men trying to share about their mental health
And re panel 2 (rape/robbery metaphor aside) male rape survivors are often not believed, told they should have been able to defend themselves, and in the case of female-on-male rape told they are lucky and should be grateful, that getting sex is always a good thing for a man.
She responded to these comments badly, in particular belittling several male SA survivors who shared about their experiences.
The reasonable comments were kinda lost in a sea of abuse, so I understand her overreacting to an extent
And she more or less made an apology comic next week, where I appreciate the sentiment even if the dialogue is quite on-the-nose:
https://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/1dqhrhg/strong/
My verdict, she doesn’t hate men, she just made a mistake on one occasion.
Thanks for sharing her followup comic. I agree with your verdict.
The whole topic is tough to approach. Trying to tackle it with a comic probably wasn’t a great idea.
Idk, can you?
You’re the one making the claims. He’s just asking for a source.
With the information provided, anybody here is equally capable of finding the problematic works as I am.
Except you’re the one making the claims. My concern is that maybe I’ve seen the comics and not caught the problematic tone, which would actually mean I’m not equally capable of finding the problematic works.
I’m being flat out, 100% honest with you, pal: I am not going to go scroll through her dogshit posts to find all the problematic ones and then bring them here for you to see. That is not going to happen.
No one is asking you to find ALL her problematic works. Just a few would suffice.
Sure, okay https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1dqxmm0/frequent_rcomics_poster_pizzacake_creates_a_comic/
And that’s not even the worst one, she made another post doubling down about it later but that one may have been scrubbed from any decent corner of the internet.
She apparently also draws rape porn.
Saved you from typing like at most 8 words, hitting a button, and clicking once or twice.
That comic seems to be a hypothetical take on what it would be like if women treated some men the same way some men treated women. Basically a role-reversal.
It doesn’t look like there’s anything wrong with it at all.