So, hundreds of millions, perhaps a few billion pawns die, governments collapse, new technofascist governments rise, or…

The global South, Eastern Bloc somehow pulls off saving whatever remains and the board is reset? Is that how this plays out?

These are certainly interesting times. ¡Viva la Revolución!

Crosspost from https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11435977

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      You can find information’s about everything and it’s opposite. Nothing in the article show that Ukraine was going to attack Russia , there was no eminent threat. As long as the nazis in Ukraine threat stay in Ukraine then it is an Ukrainian problem not a Russian one

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        You know better. Those are Russians who consider themselves Russian, who wanted to sacrifice neither their land nor lives. It’s neither good nor honest to accept CIA lying propaganda only when it’s convenient and dismiss the truth when it’s not. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, especially when our personal feelings are involved. Until we acknowledge that and grapple with it, we are serving masters who use those feelings and deliberate refusal to accept the truth as the pipe that plays the sweet music, leading us to our own demise, as they amass more wealth and more control. Look around you, my friend.

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          It is a bitter pill to swallow for most pro Ukraine and most pro Russia in this war that both Russia and the west are imperialist powers . It is not a CIA lie that Putin believes Ukrainians don’t exist . Russia, the west and Zelensky share equal responsibility for this mess. The only victim is the Ukrainian population and Ukraine still have the right to defend itself against an invasion just like Palestinians has that right too

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            Zelensky is a filthy fascist and Russia, for all it’s faults, are the only ones standing between a complete fascist takeover in Europe. For now.

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                Adults are having a serious conversation. If you take time to listen, you may accidentally learn something, despite your best efforts to the contrary.

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                  Really? Adults are talking? Why are you participating then? Lol. Whatever keep spouting russian propaganda then. I wish you a good life

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              I said that Zelensky share responsibility in the war just like Russia and the west and no Putin do not stand against fascists, he himself is a fascist

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                I hear you. If Putin is a literal fascist or mere tool of the fascists (which can be argued makes him a fascist), he’s certainly not invading his other neighbors, nor tried. He waited until the last possible minute to enter Ukraine. That certainly smells like oligarchic pragmatism that may have expanded to fascism, and yet, Russia didn’t enter the Ukraineian war* theatre, nor anywhere else, for that matter, until the United States and Israel started stirring the pot.

                My speculation is, he wanted to amass his wealth and retire in relative obscurity and peace. But he’s not known for flapping his gums to make wishes about his personal life known, either. So that speculation is folly as well.

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                  I believe that Russia is a threat to former urss countries but not for countries like France and Germany etc. The nato members do not care about Ukrainians or the occupation of any other territory unless it serve their imperialist ambitions .

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      So why do you believe his excuses he used to justify the invasion of Ukraine? Starting a war require concrete eminent threat no future threats . Russia is using the same bullshit excuses as the terrorist state of Israel