• Hapankaali@lemmy.world
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    19 hours ago

    Lemmy would not be illegal. Instead, Lemmy would be required to verify that each account belongs to a real person. Essentially, it’s a way to make bots and astroturfing illegal.

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        18 hours ago

        Me neither, probably. But it’s still a good idea in principle. The spread of malicious misinformation and propaganda has already led to millions of deaths. If we have to give up some anonymous shitposting to curb these excesses, it’s worth it.

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          18 hours ago

          The spread of malicious misinformation and propaganda has already led to millions of deaths.

          Malicious misinformation and propaganda is constantly spread without any sort of anonymity, so I can’t see how this is relevant.

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            17 hours ago

            Chemotherapy does not cure all forms of cancer, therefore chemotherapy is not relevant to cancer treatment.

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              8 hours ago

              No but you don’t give everyone chemotherapy just because some people have cancer

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              17 hours ago

              Home searches would catch some criminals, therefore a blanket search warrant is relevant to stopping crime.

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                5 hours ago

                That’s a little too close to reality for comfort. 😟

                We have several governments saying that being able to read some people’s encrypted messages would catch some criminals, therefore we need to be able to read everyone’s encrypted messages.

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                  Literally 2 days ago I was arguing with family about privacy online and I was the only person in car that gave a fuck about it. The 3 other family members were totally ok with being spied on online from start to finish and have this information used against because they had “nothing to hide” and that caring about it would not change anything in their personal lives anyway and that we don’t live in a country that actively cracks down on people against certain things. No example or angle I brought up would change their mind. This was the moment I gave up on those family members in my head. Ugh…

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          18 hours ago

          So youre the type of person who gives up some freedoms in the name of security and comfort.

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          17 hours ago

          Malicious misinformation gets spread by plenty of elected officials and journalists every day. You don’t have to be anonymous to do that. Hell pretty much the entire US government does it.

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      18 hours ago

      The whole point of anonymity is that people can say whatever they want publicly without it affecting their real life.

      So you can be against whatever war or business practices without the government or your boss bothering you. Now they want to stifle dissent by putting your face to every opinion you have online. They want to card you for being against the war.

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        18 hours ago

        The proposal isn’t to ban pseudonyms.

        Greece isn’t in any war that I am aware of.

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          Since you like the idea so much, you go first. What’s your real name, “friend”? Put your money where your mouth is. Let’s see how safe you feel giving out that information. C’mon, old buddy old pal. What’s the harm, right? Out with it. Triple dog dare ya, bud. We’re waiting. Oh, and until you tell us, maybe can it otherwise.

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            6 hours ago

            It seems you don’t understand the idea, which wouldn’t be that people would be forced to disclose their identity on social media. Instead, social media would be required to check that users are who they say they are.

            Imagine Coca-Cola puts out an ad saying Pepsi instantly makes your balls explode, or that the Daily Mail publishes an op-ed from a Labour insider who is actually an LLM prompted by a GRU operative. It is this type of “free speech” that currently runs rampant on social media, and would be curtailed under this type of proposal.

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              5 hours ago

              Have you messaged the admins of every lemmy instance lemmy.world is federated with to tell them your Name, Date of Birth, Street Address, etc?

              If not, why not? That’s what you want for others?

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          18 hours ago

          If it was expanded to the EU, I assume it’d be the Ukraine war. Europe seems to be leaning towards a war with Russia or keeps hinting it might happen.

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      18 hours ago

      It’s impossible to verify humanity without verifying identity. Just like all attemps to verify age this will result in vast databases of all our personal data that will be abused, sold, leaked, and hacked.

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      18 hours ago

      So lemmy would in fact be illegal, because it wouldn’t be lemmy if anonymity wasn’t possible.

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        18 hours ago

        Anonymity would still be possible, in the same sense that anonymous op-eds in newspapers are possible.