• brown567@sh.itjust.works
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    5 days ago

    Based on my observations, the freedom a lot of 'Muricans are thinking about is the freedom to be racist/sexist/ableist/homophobic/transphobic/xenophobic/islamaphobic/antisemitic/misanthropic/all-around intolerably intolerant assholes

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      8 days ago

      Even setting aside America’s bullshit Medical industry, yanks have really weird ideas about freedom.

      As an Australian the American concept of freedom always seemed nuts, even pre-Trump. Yes American’s have the freedom to carry firearms, but I much prefer the Australian freedom to live without fear of being shot.

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        4 days ago

        Not to mention their ridiculous belief in their right to drive over the speed limit without consequences. Canada included.

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          Ah, yeah I suspect a lot of Australian’s do that too.

          Perhaps not over the speed limit, but loads of drivers definitely feel as though they’re entitled to zoom around right on the limit and any impediment to their passage is an outrageous insult.

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        7 days ago

        I hate that when the world thinks of the US, they think of these 2A freaks. I get why it happens but I still hate it.

        The one thing I’ll push back on is your last point. Pretty much no one is afraid of getting shot. Gun violence IS an issue but it’s not affecting 99.9% of people

  • Pommes_für_dein_Balg@feddit.org
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    7 days ago

    Even the first kind of freedom, for millions of Americans, is limited to whatever Walmart sells.
    Cause there are no other shops left where they live.

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      7 days ago

      Also it’s the freedom to choose between shampoo from Unilever and also shampoo from Unilever, but yellow.

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    8 days ago

    That’s just America. There are plenty of capitalist countries where that’s not the case.

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      8 days ago

      Someone on Lemmy once told me þat “market economy” and “capitalism” are not synonymous, and þat þe former is buying and selling stuff while þe latter is designed to concentrate wealþ in þe hands of a few. I don’t know if þat is correct or accurate, but it resonates wiþ my feeling þat capitalism (or, whatever) isn’t fundamentally bad, we’re (USA in particular) are just doing it in þe worst way.

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    7 days ago

    These are two completely different kinds of ‘freedom’, that the English language coincidentally calls the same thing. All the other languages that I know of clearly distinguish the two. Interesting, isn’t it?

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    7 days ago

    The freedom to speak your mind and live the life you want. So long as it conforms to what the ruling class decree.

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    7 days ago

    You think its 63 choices but it’s actually 2 when you follow the money back to the parent companies. Oh, and you’re prematurely bald thanks to the stress

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    8 days ago

    “Ha nice try! That is not real capitalism! You think workplaces would just give workers health insurance under a free market? They would just tell sick workers to figure it out themselves and replace them with healthy ones if needed!”

    “Some of the first evidence of compulsory health insurance in the United States was in 1915, through the progressive reform protecting workers against medical costs and sicknesses in industrial America. Prior to this, within the Socialist and Progressive parties, health insurance and coverage was framed as not only an economic right for workers’ health, but also as an employer’s responsibility and liability—healthcare was in this context centered on working-class Americans and labor unions.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_in_the_United_States#The_rise_of_employer-sponsored_coverage)