• CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I remember reading in the CIA World Book that North Korea has a near 100% literacy rate.

      My understanding is that Norway also has a 100% literacy rate. I mean, apples and oranges as to why.

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          There’s a big difference between liking the cage you’re in and not realising you’re in a cage

      • fiat_lux 🆕 🏠@lemmy.zip
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        Those are literacy rates, which are distinct from literacy proficiency levels.

        From your link:

        Literacy rates display the % of adults ages 15 and above who can both read and write with understanding a short simple statement about their everyday life.

        That definition corresponds roughly to the Programme for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies’ definition of being below the lowest level:

        At Level 1, they can understand short texts and organised lists when information is clearly indicated, find specific information and identify relevant links. Those below Level 1 can at most understand short, simple sentences.
        OECD Survey of Adults Skills 2023: United States

        Overall, people overestimate average literacy levels. The US is slightly worse than the OECD average of 26% of adults at Level 1 or below. Even in the highest performing country, Finland, 12% of adults meet that definition.

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            There’s also the global freedom index

            I really enjoy rubbing it in the faces of conservative 'Muricans, or idiots in my country who crow about how the US is the “land of the free”

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              You’d think it would matter, but it doesn’t. Reality is not the flex it should be. They live in delusion (hence why many Republican men think Trump could beat them in a fight). They have layer upon layer of cognitive dissonance and though they constantly discuss things that are fact -based like the facts matter, the facts really don’t matter to them.

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                  Way too many think that, yeah. The muscle bound AI images of Trump are actually how they view him.

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                    Oh geez, that’s ridiculous. The only way Trump could win a fight is if he can somehow get on top of you. No way most people can lift that weight, they’ll be crushed.

                    But other than that, even if you don’t have any considerable physical strength, you can literally just circle around him and he’ll collapse eventually. There’s no way Trump actually has any endurance, right?

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              Compulsory education provided to all people is a communist staple, to the point right-wingers tend to point to this fact as to why the US shouldn’t fund public education, since that’s communism.

              NK under went the single largest reduction in population of any country in world history during the war, thanks to the ridiculously violent and thorough bombing campaign from the invaders in the south. This massive reduction in population plus total state control of remote villages for security (due to constant incursions from the South necessitating security in all remote areas) means getting supplies to those areas becomes a priority, and there aren’t many supplies needed to accomplish goals like the massive education and literacy programs of the 1970s and 80s that, for a time, accelerated past China’s own accomplishments, and by percentage of population beat the USSR’s record.

              Or, if you want the neoliberal explanation, it is easier to brainwash those poor wittle villwagers if they can read the pwopaganda and not just listen to it.

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                It’s not possible to hit 100% without lying

                Do you think the children in labor camps because their grandparent did something can read as well?

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                  A) It’s perfectly possible, Literacy rates are generalized to adult populations, if you teach every single child reported as being alive to read, then every single child you have accounted for will be able to read. Is it possible there are feral children in the woods of North Korea that exist? Sure. Is it possible there are some 90+ year old deserters living in the mountains of NK that never learned how to read under the imperial government? Sure. Is it likely? No, not really.

                  B) Fun fact with those ‘labor camps’ (aka prisons on par with the US, not a high bar, sure, but on par with them.) No evidence has ever been found by UN investigators that ‘generational’ punishment has happened. Ever. Not one single survivor has testified to this under oath in international court. Not one single log book has ever been found, not one single visit to the prisons has ever revealed this. This is mostly a myth created by the South Korean Government, who pays defectors for life (or imprisons them for life) depending on how willing they are to tell stories about their life to international media. The defectors that disagree with the SK narrative are usually imprisoned for life (legally they are all enemy combatants/rebels according to SK law, even the civilians, they have no rights). The ones that agree get media contracts they have to fulfill, or its off to jail. This is often why their stories are so over the top and make no logical sense.

                  See: Yeonmi Park as an example of someone whose entire life story has been debunked multiple times, and who has become a meme because of how incredibly easy it is to debunk any thing she has ever stated about North or South Korea. I mean the lady literally said it’s illegal to criticize the North Korean Government in South Korea…

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                    You realize a non negligible portion of any population will be mentally unfit or have conditions (genetic or otherwise) which leave them illiterate? Claiming 100% while ignoring that may as well be saying “everyone who can read and write is literate”.

                    If you’re taking an honest measure and still claiming it’s possible to approach anywhere near 100% literacy you must be advocating for some impressive eugenics programs.

                    …Or you could just admit the country with (totally not dynastic) heads of state claiming to win 99.93% of the vote might be lying through their teeth…

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            4 days ago

            Not really a source just a bunch of numbers. I don’t have any confidence that however these numbers are gathered isn’t done the same way as test scores.

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              There’s the small matter of the fact that there is no evidence that will satisfy you, because you’re not actually open to having your opinion changed

              Your lack of punctuation also makes me inclined to believe that you’re one of the people at the lower end of the literacy curve, so I doubt you’re worth engaging with

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                I don’t really have an opinion. I don’t know where the numbers are actually at. I just understand how easy it is to lie with statistics. The U.S. is low on the list in test scores because it actually educates all children until adulthood. Europe’s are higher because they don’t let students who don’t score well on tests take them.

                Also my grammar is fine fuck you.

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                  Europe stops kids from taking tests?

                  All of “Europe”?

                  Like it’s one, monolithic, place?

                  You’re an idiot. One with poor punctuation and grammar too.