This morning while checking if Quokk.au’s new instance logo was federated out, I discovered that overnight we had been shadowbanned from the PieFed.Social Instance Chooser (This is a tool to help spread out users across the platform and help avoid funnelling users into the largest.)
Knowing that Rimu was happy to explain, I just asked for some clarification as we were visible on every other PieFed instance except his.
Apparently for ’ obvious reasons ', of which I can only assume is our left leaning anarchist/pro-trans stance we were chosen not be advertised on the PieFed flagship instance and first point of contact for many potential new users. Seeing as a large portion of our new users found us via this method, it will have a tangible effect on a small instance such as ours.
This was a pretty sad sight to see, and reflects the sort of petty drama that is emanating from the PieFed project lately. It’s now the third such move to discredit and harm left leaning instances by PieFed’s lead developer. This also shows a trend towards autocratic unilateral decision-making on Piefed.social, of which is starting to be run as a personal fiefdom without consulting the team or users.
I must commend Lemmy.ml for remaining neutral and not letting its own political leanings influence join-lemmy.org, while simultaneously condemn PieFed.social for this immature move that is harmful to the health of the Fediverse.
Following this exchange, Rimu announced a new update to PieFed allowing for some rather concerning things.
- Modlog: Reason for the action is only shown from trusted instances, so abusive mods won’t have an audience. Admins can still see the reason though. Which instances are trusted is set in the admin UI.
This feature means problematic users can now go undetected, and will harm moderators ability to view their past moderation history. For example PieFed.social runs a ‘trusted’ list of only 34 instances, meaning any mod action taken by any of the hundreds of instances outside of this will not show up. So for example if Quokk.au was to ban a user for transphobia (our most common ban), this will not be reflected for piefed.social users potentially leading towards more hate speech on the Fediverse.
- Instance silencing similar to Mastodon. A silenced instance is not defederated from but their posts do not show in the Popular or All feeds and their communities are not shown in Starter packs aka Topics. Their communities can still be found in the communities list and joined in the normal way. Once joined, posts in there show up in the subscribed feed as usual.
This is another way to shadowban instances and not ‘advertise’ them. Surely if an instance is problematic enough that a defederation would be in order rather than this reddit-like move.
Not directly related, but many different instances are very buddy-buddy and share user info. Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works and discuss.social for example all share information like user emails, etc. this leads to shadowbans, defedding, and all sorts of privacy offenses.
Likely quokk is cause up in that.
This is why it’s important all users use a VPN and unique burner/alias emails.
I have no idea what other instances are like, but you can join lemmy.ml without even giving an email. Unless you’re allergic to communism, I’m really not seeing the benefit of choosing one of those instances, let alone something like PieFed, as your home base. No captchas or VPN blocks, either.
I love communism. I condemn state capitalism and simping for existing governments who claim to be communist, yet allow billionaires.
So, that sort of eliminates Lemmy.ml as an option.
I think we all hate state capitalism like in the Republic of Korea, Germany, and Singapore. Capitalist economies where private ownership is principal and capitalists control the state are ultimately highly exploitative, and nationalization in this context doesn’t advance socialism but capitalism. What Marxists do tend to support are existing socialist countries, like the PRC, Cuba, etc, where public ownership is principal and the working classes govern the state.
I think we all hate billionaires, just like we all hate poverty, underdevelopment, and encirclement. When socialist market economies have billionaires, it’s because they have private property, and they have private pproperty in secondary and non-critical industries as a concession to help foster development and alleviate poverty, with a working class state that prevents billionaires from having capital. If your choice is slower development but no billionaires vs more rapid development but having billionaires, from the perspective of the average worker the more rapid development has more of an immediate impact on their lives.
In other words, socialism is not the absence of private property or billionaires, it’s a transitional system between capitalism and communism, just like capitalism is a transition between feudalism and socialism. I’m not sure how one can claim to love communism while condemning every group building it right now, it sounds like you just like science fiction while hating science.
“I agree with Communism, except literally every country to try and do communism.” I love these sorts of takes lol
I admire the patience in ML’s talking to those people but I had the misfortune of running into this one and it’s pretty hopeless.
One comment away from ‘authoritarian’ and Uyghur death camps.
Usually when I argue with anti-communists it’s not for the OP’s benefit. I mostly provide counterpoints for lurkers.
Good point
I was skeptical of China myself until I started reading the arguments and trying to understand where they were coming from, and trying to read theory instead of being a socialist based on vibes. (Edit: not accusing you of being the same, I’m just poking fun at myself here.) I lurked a long time before making my account here, and I honestly think I was all the better for that.
I’d love it if we could eliminate all billionaires tomorrow, but I frankly don’t think that’s possible so long as imperialism exists. Imperialism is the primary contradiction at the moment, not the existence of billionaires, though I think resolving that contradiction would result in a redistribution of resources such that there would, at minimum, be far fewer billionaires.
I’d encourage you to read more about all the myriad ways the imperial core enforces its will on the third world. Vincent Bevins’ book The Jakarta Method is a good starting point if you haven’t read it or other books on the subject.
You can just say you’ve never read any theory, you know.
I can say I disagree with parts of some theories and how they have been implemented without getting dogpiled for not sharing the opinions of a hive mind.
Agreeing with any theory word for word is just saying you have no actual opinions, because no theory is perfect when put into practice.
…You know…
Nobody is saying that you should commit book worship, but instead that you should engage with the hard work of theorists and those that have put theory to practice. Your argument sounds more like you just want to use scary words like “hive mind” to dismiss the fact that a lot of people agree with theory as it has been put to practice and refined over time as the two inform and reinforce each other.
Which parts, specifically, do you disagree with? And can your source the evidence that lead you to this from sources other than the National Endowment for Democracy?
Evidence? Source? You act like theory is fact, and it’s not. Do you ever read something and think, I like a lot of this but not everything. Or do you just force yourself to accept everything you hear without considering your own personal feelings on the matter or other theories and opinions you heard?
Theory isn’t a “fact,” it’s a guide to action. Action affirms or denies theory and helps us write new theory. Theory isn’t just something in the political world, but in all manner of fields. Physics, for example, is the theory used as the basis for engineering. This doesn’t mean what we commonly understand to be true in physics isn’t subject to change, just that by applying physics in real life we better understand it and this can inform future decisions. Political theory is the same way.
Wait. Are you against empirical reasoning? Against the idea that ideas should be tested against evidence for or against their validity?
I’d say that dialectical materialism is a “theory” in the same vein as gravity or other scientific theories rather than the colloquial usage of the term. I’m still studying it myself and don’t feel I’ve read enough to explicate in detail - others are more learned than I am on the subject. That said, my personal feelings on the subject are just that - feelings, not facts, and can no more impact dialectical materialism than my feelings on gravity can allow me to fly.
That said, certainly people can disagree on how best to apply the theory to a given time or place. But if you’re unwilling to provide details and engage in the conversation, you come across as being either dismissive or defensive.
Iirc, scientific theory is the “how” of an observed phenomenon, and is updated as more information is accumulated?
Removed by mod
LW and discuss.online are ran by the same team.
Ahhh that would explain it
This is something different. The PieFed dev is simply being a massive jerk lately and declaring war on the left.
So you blocked grad and hex and fancy yourself different.
Well, the reason those did this was because my content is too… far left. Antifa, even. And World, SJW, and DS are all pretty conservative these days.
That anti-left mentality is pretty wide spread in the tech industry—surprisingly. If the PieFed dev is in that circle, it wouldn’t surprise me.
Not surprising. The dot-com boom was mostly libertarian techbros vying for their stock options to go stratospheric, and many in the industry today are still temporarily embarrassed billionaires. The industry’s origins were in the US military-industrial complex. There’s still a visible Western male chauvinist, imperialist through-line.
It’s a damn shame. I like the oldschool internet run by utopian libertarians who thought that censorship was inherently evil. That way, sure I had to deal with Nazis having their spaces, but I could freely go to those spaces and call them a bunch of fucking Nazis, while spending most of my time with leftists and libertarians (because I was dumb and in my 20s so I didn’t know libertarians well enough, just their fictional ideals) and we were both findable. Nobody got censored except for spam or child porn.
These days you have people wanting to censor their political opponents, and it has resulted in a shitty situation.
Well, this is going to keep happening as long as people treat Stallman’s witticisms like a dang bible
wow, that’s good to know! but how do you know it is happening?
@TheDude@sh.itjust.works is what this user says true?
InEnduringGrowStrong is one of the two admins besides TheDude and they’ve already clarified in this very thread.
Is TheDude an admin who is clearly going to deny involvement? lol.
who else is going to respond if you are unwilling to provide evidence?
TheDude will abide while his co-admin takes care of it, it seems.
BTW, this attitude towards banning stuff is why I’m glad I picked it for my instance. I hate censorship, except for csam and spam.
that explains why my account got banned before i had a chance to use it.
atleast it ended up working out in my favor: i had intended to switch away from lemmy.word and the ban led me to lemmy.ml; where my social media diet hot a million times better and it made me stop doom-scrolling all the time.
Well, on ML they just ban you from ML when you don’t agree with the hive ;)
They haven’t banned me so far. Maybe they don’t actually like Russia, which is a terrible fucking country, as others keep claiming. Maybe they have read a history book.
Go on ML and say “Russia is the baddie for invading Ukraine” and watch the fur fly.
They don’t actually care about Russia or China. They’re all teenagers from America and they just want to crush the US.
How can a person be pro-Palestine and anti-Ukraine?!?! It’s pro-little guy. Always. Fuck the big 3.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Many of those admins are not from the US, and none are teenagers by any stretch. I’m older than Danny Glover was when he said he was too old for this shit.
We’ve explained how, with receipts, hundreds of times. Previously.
Not the admins.
Also, is crushing the US bad? Not the people, the system of government. The corporations. The military industrial complex. The jails. The police. All worth crushing, yeah?
They want the people dead. Which humorously is also them because they’re mostly Americans
Never seen them say that. So you’ll probably have some evidence to show me? Like a quote?
I agree! They haven’t banned me yet, though, and I regularly post about how Russia sucks, and is the aggressor in Ukraine.
You’re an anarchist, yeah? Me too. I support a mainly modern syndicalist approach, because collective community effort is far more effective than individual effort, but it’s going to be a hard time demonstrating the effectiveness of our preferred model while the capitalists keep crushing it anywhere it threatens to become practical.
It’s more complicated than “Russia bad, Ukraine good” though. I think that’s the nuance that gets distorted by some ml people who have been arguing with centre-left Democrat voter types for ages and gotten tired.
Russia has a fucked up, Mafia government, it is bad for its people, it encourages corruption as long as the money flows to the top, etc.
Don’t ignore why that is, though: Russia was fucked over by the vultures of US capital in the 90s after Gorbachev and Yeltsin bent over and allowed former soviet state industrial assets to be bought for far less than their value. This is how the oligarchs were established. The economy was absolutely crushed, it reduced the living conditions of millions of people, increased crime, destroyed the social welfare state, etc.
This created the opportunity for Putin to get popular by killing a bunch of the oligarchs and taking their stolen wealth for himself, as well as promising to restore the glory of Russia’s military, stopping the breakaway of the few remaining former Soviet countries that had not yet left Russian control, like Georgia and Chechnya, promising to fight the terrorists (the terrorist attacks were done by him, btw), etc.
Basic Make Russia Great Again stuff, done more competently than Trump because he has at least half a brain.
This much is clear from history.
Ukraine does have a lot of Nazis in its power structure. And it has been very corrupt indeed ever since it broke away from Soviet control. Zelenzky has had to work with both of these power blocs as leader. He did gain power by promising to change things, but it’s impossible to run the place without working with the moderate parts of those factions, at least, even without a war. With the war, he has had to allow all sorts of very dodgy bastards indeed to coexist as long as they fight the Russians too.
Now, Putin was absolutely right when he said that NATO was invading his sphere of influence by bringing the Ukraine into the Western economic sphere. The US knew this, and knew that Russia may invade the Ukraine in return, and they were happy to provoke that. It was a completely ruthless move in the Great Game of geopolitics.
However, invading Ukraine is still an evil thing to do. It’s an imperialist action by Russia. It is one empire defending against an incursion by another empire.
The people of Ukraine, flawed as its government and society is, are right to defend themselves. Russia is not the good guy here, even if they are effectively part of China’s sphere now. They use slave armies. So does Ukraine, but far less brutally. It’s… not an ideal situation.
China practices ruthless geopolitics too, to defend its own system against the efforts of imperial capitalism, but that does not mean its client states are the good guys. China’s system is worth defending, imo, because capitalism is destroying the world with climate change and China is the biggest single factor in decarbonisation, not to mention a serious contender for a better economic system which we could learn a lot from.
When we survive climate change, it will likely be due to the sheer industrial capacity of the Chinese economy, which is rapidly transitioning to renewable energy and exporting solar panels and batteries to the entire world.
However, the Chinese defence of its “socialism with Chinese characteristics” system is ugly and throws a lot of people under the bus.
Palestinians, the Russian people sent to die on the front lines, people who get arrested by Chinese security services, people who have to move out of the way of large industrial projects, non-Han minorities, LGBT minorities, etc. (Not Falun Hong, btw, fuck those cultist assholes).
The mistake a lot of people make is to think that all systems of coercion are equally bad.
Representative democracy with capitalism looks good in theory, until you factor in all the people who don’t get a vote, who still get affected by the actions of the govt. And of course all the decisions made by people who aren’t elected at all.
And of course you as an anarchist know that nobody recognises economic violence when comparing systems by how much violence they do to their citizens, and nobody compares violence done by client states to protect capital’s ability to do that violence.
So America and Europe look less violent than the Soviets and China, even though they are all drenched in blood. Imo, the US most of all.
However, instead of having that sort of discussion, it’s way easier to say “go back to the DNC!” or “read a book, corpo!” or “boo, stop licking Xi’s asshole!”.
It takes way less time.
Wow. Ppppppropaganda
Which bit?
I think you’re mistaking “don’t agree” with an ideological refusal to engage with criticism. You’re either engaging in the discussion or not. Maybe you tell yourself “it’s just time to log off”, but everyone can see your evasiveness.
Hehe. Why do I have you tagged as a bot? Did I fall for some propaganda or are you actually a bot?
They ban you when you make it clear that you’re unwilling to learn how to deprogram yourself.
Sorry bud, China is a capitalist country. Just like all the rest. ✌️
Evidence? I see this a lot, but nobody provides evidence that the market is in control of China. There are billionaires and companies there, yes, but they seem to be kept in line by the PRC.
I mean, they execute corrupt bankers there. Would a capitalist country allow that? They do things for the long-term future, not the short-term profit of companies. Are you asserting that they are long-term capitalists?
No, the PRC is a socialist country, same as Cuba, Vietnam, the DPRK, Laos, and former USSR. The working classes control the state since 1949, and public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy. I have yet to see a compelling, rational argument for why this should be considered “capitalist” that doesn’t treat socialism like a fantasy in test-tube conditions, rather than a real mode of production and distribution.
Funny how ‘just like all the rest’ still manages to shrink billionaires instead of worshiping them or letting them control the gov’t; but sure, totally the same. Lol
Yawn. The billionaires control all the governments. Keep on showing us how you simp for the billionaires.
project harder. i just pointed out one system actually restrains the rich — you’re the one who needs all governments to look identical so you don’t have to update your tired, lazy worldview. now go tuck your billionaire boogeyman back into bed and maybe read a book.
You just simped for the billionaires while trying to get out of being accused of simping for billionaires.
“Noo don’t look at the executions of billionaires and corrupt officials, they’re fake! Better things aren’t possible! I’m not listening lalalala you’re a simp.”
Woooo dogpile!
Lol, no. They ban anyone not willing to buy the building propaganda they spew
history’s full of empires that swore they were the only ones without propaganda; you’re just repeating their script wo knowing it.
I never said anything about anyone else’s propoganda.
It’s ironic you’re saying this while Whatabouting away criticism of the propoganda you’re covering for.
And you’ll plug your ears and cheer when I get banned for saying this here.
I never cheer when they get banned; I feel like each one would be me if life hadn’t kicked my ass hard enough to force me to learn that western/capitalist contradictions are everywhere.
The fact of the matter is that the western hegemon – our hegemon – has been legally forced to admit that they fabricated their propaganda in writing thanks to the freedom of information act since the 1980’s yet westerners – Americans in particular – cling that that proganda nonetheless. (And the fact that you can learn of this propaganda just as easily as reading the Epstein files is icing on this cake).
The worst part is that they use the propaganda to defend their world view wo ever knowing it.
SJW doesn’t ban email domains, IPs nor VPNs.
To my knowledge, we’ve alsp never shared specific details about users with dotworld or other instances for that matter.
I myself would take offense about leaking any of this info.
The only thing I can even think of is we might have shared something like this once or twice during bigger spam attacks:
Edit:
I don’t know about dotworld, but at least on our end, there’s only TheDude and me who even have access to see a user’s email address.
The only other times we’ve really even checked one was before 2FA & password reset worked properly.
We even have users who didn’t want to provide an email at all which we’ve verified manually through matrix.
We’ve investigated ourselves, and this will shock you: we found no wrongdoing. “To my knowledge,” that’s adorable. The words of someone who fantasizes about doing well in court, but would be bent over.
Right. Are you an admin?
They are an admin. You can check if you go to their original profile on sjw
Uh oh, I’d better be careful ;)
Realistically, not really.
To be honest, these days, most bans are for obvious spam, *phobes or the occasional CSAM.
Just don’t post dentist adspam (which is oddly common) or be that one person who posts their cartoony-kiddie-diaper-fetish thing.
I usually get banned for calling for the death of Donald Trump, and the rest of the global billionaires.
AdVoCaTiNg vIoLeNcE and other lame excuses.
Hey, snap! That’s why I got banned from Reddit and came here!
I wanna say we’re “fuck Trump” buddies but now I feel really dirty and need a bath.
Oh yeah, I’ve seen the guillotines being censored in some places. /eyeroll I don’t get it, there’s no corporate overlord to appease here, no advertisers, no IPO.
I’d argue for content removal if you were to post specific plans to take specific violent action.
Mostly because it’d be utterly dumb to plan something high profile on a public forum.
By all means, do so on something actually private and secure that won’t result in either of our doors being busted down.
All that data sharing and sh.itjust.works mods and admins still haven’t removed the links to CSAM websites that I reported and messaged them about several months ago. They aren’t directly hosting CSAM, but the fact that they ignored the requests to take down the links in question is not particularly pleasing. (not sharing details publicly for obvious reasons)
Edit (1778443722): I messaged them on Matrix. The report was through the default reporting interface.
You didn’t message me afaik.
@imaqtpie.communick.com
Also why does your edit have that number in parentheses?
Why did you steal the handle of a League of Legends streamer? Odd behavior. Just invent your own name. I invent like 30 a day. Practice.
Because it’s clever and I like it.
Your handle sucks 😅. I could invent 30 mediocre usernames in a few minutes, it takes you all day?
Assuming you upvoted yourself, @mathemachristian is like a 3/10. So good work on that one I guess. Thatsnomayo is just abysmal though
The fuck did I do lol, wait until you come across imaqtpa2-t
wait until they conclude that you’re all just my alts
I don’t see how it would be clever if you came up with it. Thank you for reinforcing the perception brainrot and narcissism are everywhere on these instances. You have no original thoughts.
Perhaps you don’t recognize what it’s meant to sound like?
I’m a cutie pie
That number was the timestamp (since I didn’t know whether or not time of edit is federated) and if you want,
I can directly message you on Lemmy (since I deleted my Matrix account).I am creating a matrix account to message you.Sure
I have sent you a message under the name clean cation. Please verify whether you have received it. Thanks.
I didn’t receive it. I’m going to send you a message and maybe you can respond to me more easily.
Edit: Ok nvm I see it. I thought you sent it on Lemmy, I see it on Matrix.
I removed those posts. But I am reluctant to follow the Tor links to verify that they are what you claim, for obvious reasons. I’ll take your word for it.
Assuming that’s the 2 recently removed posts in the modlog, I’ll check if I can see what happened to those reports.
The post themselves were to our “test” community and first seemed to me like they were just random strings, but from the context I’m reading they might have been part of some onion link?
Yes, apparently they were links to Tor websites according to clean_anion
Is there any documentation on how they share user data like emails? That sounds super wild to me
Super wild? They are just people. Neckbeards, if you will.
I got banned from .world once, then accounts on the others that used the same email that had not ever been used got banned too.
All I have to offer is my experiences, you can choose to disbelieve me—I don’t care.