Dogshit healthcare being decades behind that in the west
Cuba, CUBA, has higher life expectancy expectancy than the US. You’re literally bullshitting, the USSR at the time had the highest number of doctors per capita on earth.
Education was dogshit lacking the basic necessities
That’s why they went from being starved peasants to putting the first person in space in the span of 20 years? Again making shit up
Most jobs were completely unnecessary. They provided nothing of value.
Funnily enough, most jobs were much more necessary than jobs in capitalism. No financial sector bullshit, instead focus on heavy industry, agriculture, infrastructure and development. You can make criticisms such as some factories being outdated (due to respect for the workers employed in them and not wanting to fire them as in capitalism), but it’s laughable to me that you’d believe socialist countries had less valuable jobs than 50% of the population working excel tables as we have nowadays lmfao
Rationed. Not subsidized
Both. You specifically needed to ration because inequality being extremely low and prices being subsidized, it was the mechanism to ensure distribution of goods. Nowadays, the mechanism to distribute goods is actual poverty, as in poor people cannot afford it. On average, people don’t have more meat, don’t have more bread, it’s just that rich people enjoy it and poor people get fucked. Rationing was a fair distribution mechanism that ensured everyone had a portion, and much fairer than the contemporary alternative of “the poorest 50% consistently get fucked”. The top 10% richest Americans consume 50% of the goods and services. How’s that distribution going for the rest, who can’t afford a house, a car, or furniture?
and it wasn’t a good car
“Gommunism is when cheap car”. To further elaborate, yes, technology was less developed in the countries that started industrializing in the 1940s than in those which industrialized since the 1800s using the raw materials and slave labor plundered from the global South. The thing with cars and why you cherry-pick them is that they weren’t a priority. Cars are an inefficient mode of transportation and public transit was prioritized. Cars are actually bad and communists have always known this, that polluting and congesting your city with 1-ton murder machines is bad, so they focused on trains, trams and trolleybuses, all much more sustainable, efficient and clean. We could talk about airplanes if you prefer, and how the USSR developed modern aviation competing with that of the US and actually exported it at lower prices than the US could achieve because they were more efficient.
black market dollar
How’s that relevant to inflation? People earned Rubles and paid in Rubles. Prices were literally dictated by policy, the exchange value of the dollar is absolutely irrelevant to the inflation inside the Soviet economy, inflation is not defined by exchange value of a currency in the black market, the definition of inflation I’d “general, sustained increase in prices”. And, over the 40 years between WW2 and Perestroika, prices literally didn’t increase (whereas salaries did increase many times over).
I literally searched and found the data to prove you wrong:
THIS is life expectancy of Poland, since 50s. This is life expectancy in America for the same period.
Throughout almost the entire period America had better life expectancy than Communist Poland. You can even see the upward trend after 1990 in PL once capitalism got introduced and medicine started to catch up with the West.
Cuba, CUBA, has higher life expectancy expectancy than the US
WTF are you talking about, they’re the same, with Cuba being horribly lower in 50s and 60s
You’re literally bullshitting
No you, are.
USSR at the time had the highest number of doctors per capita on earth.
But they couldn’t build sophisticated medical equipment in sufficient numbers. It’s the same story as with cars. The economy was disfunctional as fuck. And poland cooked the books about employment and inflation hard, USSR probably did too.
I’m not going to engage in debate with someone who quotes fake data like “0% inflation” and such. You bought into a cult of lies and deception
THIS is life expectancy of Poland, since 50s. This is life expectancy in America for the same period.
Throughout almost the entire period America had better life expectancy than Communist Poland. You can even see the upward trend after 1990 in PL once capitalism got introduced and medicine started to catch up with the West.
The primary reason for the apparent rise of life expectancy in the Eastern Block after the 1990s is the fact that, before, the life expectancy was reduced by the premature deaths of the tens of millions with sequels from WW2. About the 1990s, most people who lived the conflict were dead, and healthier people brought up in non-war conditions were the dying cohorts. If you were educated about the topic you’d know, but you’re just looking it up right now to support your confirmation bias.
WTF are you talking about, they’re the same, with Cuba being horribly lower in 50s and 60s
The Cuban Revolution succeeded in 1959 lmfao. Life expectancy rose dramatically afterwards thanks to the arrival of communism. Anyway, thanks for realizing that the richest country on Earth has similar (but lower) life expectancy than a post-colonial island under the most comprehensive embargo on Earth (carried out by the US).
But they couldn’t build sophisticated medical equipment in sufficient numbers
And yet they tripled life expectancy. Yes, again, a country which began industrializing in 1930 and did so with its own resources and labor force, was less technologically developed than the US, which began to industrialize in the early 1800s and did so at the expense of tens of millions of slaves at home, abroad and the natural resources of all of Latin America. That’s not surprising to anyone. A better comparison between communism and capitalism would be USSR vs Brazil, or USSR vs Argentina, both of which have more similar starts in 1920 than the US as an already established industrial world power. Now compare life expectancy between 1945 and 1990 for the USSR and Argentina/Brazil.
Cuba, CUBA, has higher life expectancy expectancy than the US. You’re literally bullshitting, the USSR at the time had the highest number of doctors per capita on earth.
That’s why they went from being starved peasants to putting the first person in space in the span of 20 years? Again making shit up
Funnily enough, most jobs were much more necessary than jobs in capitalism. No financial sector bullshit, instead focus on heavy industry, agriculture, infrastructure and development. You can make criticisms such as some factories being outdated (due to respect for the workers employed in them and not wanting to fire them as in capitalism), but it’s laughable to me that you’d believe socialist countries had less valuable jobs than 50% of the population working excel tables as we have nowadays lmfao
Both. You specifically needed to ration because inequality being extremely low and prices being subsidized, it was the mechanism to ensure distribution of goods. Nowadays, the mechanism to distribute goods is actual poverty, as in poor people cannot afford it. On average, people don’t have more meat, don’t have more bread, it’s just that rich people enjoy it and poor people get fucked. Rationing was a fair distribution mechanism that ensured everyone had a portion, and much fairer than the contemporary alternative of “the poorest 50% consistently get fucked”. The top 10% richest Americans consume 50% of the goods and services. How’s that distribution going for the rest, who can’t afford a house, a car, or furniture?
“Gommunism is when cheap car”. To further elaborate, yes, technology was less developed in the countries that started industrializing in the 1940s than in those which industrialized since the 1800s using the raw materials and slave labor plundered from the global South. The thing with cars and why you cherry-pick them is that they weren’t a priority. Cars are an inefficient mode of transportation and public transit was prioritized. Cars are actually bad and communists have always known this, that polluting and congesting your city with 1-ton murder machines is bad, so they focused on trains, trams and trolleybuses, all much more sustainable, efficient and clean. We could talk about airplanes if you prefer, and how the USSR developed modern aviation competing with that of the US and actually exported it at lower prices than the US could achieve because they were more efficient.
How’s that relevant to inflation? People earned Rubles and paid in Rubles. Prices were literally dictated by policy, the exchange value of the dollar is absolutely irrelevant to the inflation inside the Soviet economy, inflation is not defined by exchange value of a currency in the black market, the definition of inflation I’d “general, sustained increase in prices”. And, over the 40 years between WW2 and Perestroika, prices literally didn’t increase (whereas salaries did increase many times over).
I literally searched and found the data to prove you wrong:
THIS is life expectancy of Poland, since 50s. This is life expectancy in America for the same period.
Throughout almost the entire period America had better life expectancy than Communist Poland. You can even see the upward trend after 1990 in PL once capitalism got introduced and medicine started to catch up with the West.
WTF are you talking about, they’re the same, with Cuba being horribly lower in 50s and 60s
No you, are.
But they couldn’t build sophisticated medical equipment in sufficient numbers. It’s the same story as with cars. The economy was disfunctional as fuck. And poland cooked the books about employment and inflation hard, USSR probably did too.
I’m not going to engage in debate with someone who quotes fake data like “0% inflation” and such. You bought into a cult of lies and deception
The primary reason for the apparent rise of life expectancy in the Eastern Block after the 1990s is the fact that, before, the life expectancy was reduced by the premature deaths of the tens of millions with sequels from WW2. About the 1990s, most people who lived the conflict were dead, and healthier people brought up in non-war conditions were the dying cohorts. If you were educated about the topic you’d know, but you’re just looking it up right now to support your confirmation bias.
The Cuban Revolution succeeded in 1959 lmfao. Life expectancy rose dramatically afterwards thanks to the arrival of communism. Anyway, thanks for realizing that the richest country on Earth has similar (but lower) life expectancy than a post-colonial island under the most comprehensive embargo on Earth (carried out by the US).
And yet they tripled life expectancy. Yes, again, a country which began industrializing in 1930 and did so with its own resources and labor force, was less technologically developed than the US, which began to industrialize in the early 1800s and did so at the expense of tens of millions of slaves at home, abroad and the natural resources of all of Latin America. That’s not surprising to anyone. A better comparison between communism and capitalism would be USSR vs Brazil, or USSR vs Argentina, both of which have more similar starts in 1920 than the US as an already established industrial world power. Now compare life expectancy between 1945 and 1990 for the USSR and Argentina/Brazil.